America Votes 2008

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

I thought Obama's Grant Park speech was pretty weak. But the guy looks exhausted, and I'm sure most of it was improvised. But I didn't vote for the guy because of his speeches. Already Obama is saying he wants to free prisoners from Guantanamo Bay and start giving people there fair trials in American Courts. That's some good stuff. Guantanamo Bay = unconstitutional.

Hate to break it to you, but its not. Its not even technically against international law, as the Geneva accords only cover uniformed combatants representing a sovereign nation.

And by the way, it was our left leaning "constitutional friends" in the Supreme Court that ruled that local governments can force homeowners to sell to large corporations because it increases the tax base. It was the conservative judges that voted against it. The Supreme Court is where the constitution is dying, not the legislative branch. This was the main reason why I was against Obama, as he has publicly stated that the Constitution "doesn't go far enough", which ignores the entire point of the document (a list of what the government WILL NOT do). If Obama's presidency fails, which I sincerely hope it doesn't, the legislation can be fixed by a change in power. Supreme Court justices are lifetime appointments by the President and their effect will be felt for two generations, if not more.

EDIT: I removed my prt about the patriot act, as I think it would have taken the discussion away from the topic.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Hate to break it to you, but its not. Its not even technically against international law, as the Geneva accords only cover uniformed combatants representing a sovereign nation.

And by the way, it was our left leaning "constitutional friends" in the Supreme Court that ruled that local governments can force homeowners to sell to large corporations because it increases the tax base. It was the conservative judges that voted against it. The Supreme Court is where the constitution is dying, not the legislative branch. This was the main reason why I was against Obama, as he has publicly stated that the Constitution "doesn't go far enough", which ignores the entire point of the document (a list of what the government WILL NOT do). If Obama's presidency fails, which I sincerely hope it doesn't, the legislation can be fixed by a change in power. Supreme Court justices are lifetime appointments by the President and their effect will be felt for two generations, if not more.

EDIT: I removed my prt about the patriot act, as I think it would have taken the discussion away from the topic.

Fair enough. I'm not going to pretend to know enough about foreign policy and Supreme Court legislation regarding this subject.

I just know that Guantanamo Bay sounds bogus from what I have read.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Fair enough. I'm not going to pretend to know enough about foreign policy and Supreme Court legislation regarding this subject.

I just know that Guantanamo Bay sounds bogus from what I have read.

Legally its not bogus, or at least not yet. Morally and ethically? Well, thats another conversation and a very long and difficult one at that. Personally I'm for GITMO, but I also think some aspects of it need to change, as I don't believe that people should be held indefinitely with no evidence, but I also don't believe that Constitutional rights or Habeus Corpus should be conveyed to possible terrorists and non-citizen's either.

There needs to be a middle ground where the detainees are afforded some form of recourse but not to the point that it dierectly parallels our legal system. What makes up that middle ground, I couldn't tell you.