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Re: CNN/YouTube GOP Debate
Old 11-29-2007, 12:06 PM   #1
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Is there a reason you need to be so polar? Yeah, CNN is biased - just like most every popular media source is biased. That's not what bothers people about Fox news. Fox news has reporters and hosts that are frequently rude, insulting, and hostile without provocation.
I'm not being "polar", I''m pointing our the obvious. If the sky is blue, you aren't polar for stating it. Given, Bill O'Reilly is rude, but their news people I don't find rude. And lets be honest, people rail against Fox for its bias, not its rudeness. The diference between CNN and Fox is that Fox is obvious and open about the messages their columnists send, while CNN hides them in selective reporting and manipulation.

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As for the bribes from white supremacists, I'm rather surprised it hasn't come up myself. Although I don't see how the speech Rudy's been giving since 9/11 (the same speech, over and over and over) capitalizing off of of the tragedy for campaign funds is any less questionable.
Actually Rudy was asked specifically about this in the debate and he articularted very well all his other, non 9/11 credentials. Just because Rudy discusses 9/11 doesn't make him a one issue candidate, and its also far better than ignoring it like the Democrat candidates do. And comparing 9/11 rhetoric as being no worse than racist rhetoric is a little rediculous IMO.
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Re: CNN/YouTube GOP Debate
Old 11-29-2007, 01:32 PM   #2
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I'm not being "polar", I''m pointing our the obvious. If the sky is blue, you aren't polar for stating it. Given, Bill O'Reilly is rude, but their news people I don't find rude. And lets be honest, people rail against Fox for its bias, not its rudeness. The diference between CNN and Fox is that Fox is obvious and open about the messages their columnists send, while CNN hides them in selective reporting and manipulation.



Actually Rudy was asked specifically about this in the debate and he articularted very well all his other, non 9/11 credentials. Just because Rudy discusses 9/11 doesn't make him a one issue candidate, and its also far better than ignoring it like the Democrat candidates do. And comparing 9/11 rhetoric as being no worse than racist rhetoric is a little rediculous IMO.

The way you stated matters did seem pretty polar to me. It is polar to intentionally distance yourself from others simply because you disagree with them, which feels exactly like what your doing. Reading your political opinions feels just like what popular media keeps cramming down our throats - Democrats and Republicans can't get along.

As for Rudy being asked specifically about it, I obviously missed that. But my criticism of his 9/11 speech isn't that I think it makes him a single issue cantidate. My criticism comes in that he's giving the same speech for rediculous sums of money over and over - and frankly feels like he's capitalizing off of the death of three thousand people to get himself on the ballot. As for how sick I think that is - is Ron Paul going to high class dinners publically spouting racist rhetoric? No (even if he'd like to). If he was, that'd certainly be worse in my opinion. As to the lesser wrong of accepting campaign donations from such organizations, I do think Rudy is equally in the wrong of exploiting a tragedy for personal gain.
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:52 PM   #3
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The way you stated matters did seem pretty polar to me. It is polar to intentionally distance yourself from others simply because you disagree with them, which feels exactly like what your doing. Reading your political opinions feels just like what popular media keeps cramming down our throats - Democrats and Republicans can't get along.
If distancing myself from people is the equal of dissagreeing with them, then I guess I am. But as for Dems and GOP not getting along... have they been able to? Is there any evidence that they will or even want to get along? The truth is that the leadership of each party disagree fundamentally on just about EVERY SINGLE ISSUE. Name it: Taxes, abortion rights, foreiogn policy, economics, social issues... they don't agree on anything. Its bnot just a forced message, its pretty damn accurate.

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As for Rudy being asked specifically about it, I obviously missed that. But my criticism of his 9/11 speech isn't that I think it makes him a single issue cantidate. My criticism comes in that he's giving the same speech for rediculous sums of money over and over - and frankly feels like he's capitalizing off of the death of three thousand people to get himself on the ballot. As for how sick I think that is - is Ron Paul going to high class dinners publically spouting racist rhetoric? No (even if he'd like to). If he was, that'd certainly be worse in my opinion. As to the lesser wrong of accepting campaign donations from such organizations, I do think Rudy is equally in the wrong of exploiting a tragedy for personal gain.
Now I see what you're saying, and I understand how you could feel that way.
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