In an attempt to start an actual good conversation, I bring on a subject that everyone can practically talk about.
How did the universe start?
I'm meaning this to be a scientific talk, so if you just want to step in and say "A higher power" - don't. I don't want this to spiral into something else.
Anyways, personally, I believe the big bang theory - to an extent.
I feel there was everything, all condensed into one little area. Then something sparked it, causing it to explode, and everything as we know it was created. I don't feel the universe is the be all and end all. I think there is something that houses many universes. A gigaverse/superverse - if you will. What if our universe is nothing more than an atom in another universe, that was sent off due to a nuclear explosion?
It's hard to try and grasp. People think of the universe as a 3D state. A reverse sphere, where everything is inside, and donuts around again. Personally, I think the universe itself, can only make visual sense in the 4th dimension. It houses 3D beings, and things, but that doesn't mean it is one itself. I can stick a drawing of a line in a ball, that doesn't mean the ball is a dot.
Anyways, thoughts?
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Well if you want to be scientific, then the universe is infinite in all ways since it is accepted law that energy cannot be created on destroyed, only changed. All matter is made of energy in accepted theory, so therefore the universe has always been and always will be.
But honestly, to pose such a topic, eliminate God, and then talk about Superverses and Multiverses... well... God is no more fantastic or speculative than either of those. Your trading one wishful and faithful thought for another based on personal taste.
Well if you want to be scientific, then the universe is infinite in all ways since it is accepted law that energy cannot be created on destroyed, only changed. All matter is made of energy in accepted theory, so therefore the universe has always been and always will be.
But honestly, to pose such a topic, eliminate God, and then talk about Superverses and Multiverses... well... God is no more fantastic or speculative than either of those. Your trading one wishful and faithful thought for another based on personal taste.
Strangie, even in science - what was isn't always what is.
You can say the universe is infinite, but that too is just a theory. Albeit a widely believed theory, but still just a theory. The fact it's widely accepted doesn't make it 100% true.
The topic at hand isn't whether the unvierse is, was, or always will be. It's how. I never posed "Will it end". I never said the universe never existed.
So you're saying without a doubt there is just the universe, and that is all?
As Earth was the only planet?
As the sun was never a star?
As the galaxy never existed?
As the earth was the rotational point of everything?
My point is (despite the fact it's not the intention of the thread) things change. Especially in science. That's what makes it science. That's what makes it interesting and new. If you aren't able to think there may be something outside of a Universe, fine. In no way is a Superverse comparable to a God.
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Could you elaborate on the 'something' that sparked the big bang?
That's what I find to be the most fascinating aspect. That the 'something' that occurred by chance (or perhaps not) is responsible for all that is now.
It looks silly, but it is a true experiment, though the conclusions drawn from it seem to be all over the place. For example, it doesn't mention the theory that there must be mirror electrons in parallel universes that interfere with the single electrons passing through the slits in our universe to create the interference pattern, thus direct evidence of the multiverse theory.
I think Michael Crichton used that in his book Timeline (about traveling between parallel universes), single electrons get influenced as if there are other electrons, while there are not... which hints at a parallel universe, or another dimension.
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I think Michael Crichton used that in his book Timeline (about traveling between parallel universes), single electrons get influenced as if there are other electrons, while there are not... which hints at a parallel universe, or another dimension.
Yeah he did. That's actually where I started reading about it, I looked at Timeline's bibliography and bought the Fabric of Reality by David Deutsch and read that. Thought-provoking book especially for the uninitiated like me.
Could you elaborate on the 'something' that sparked the big bang?
That's what I find to be the most fascinating aspect. That the 'something' that occurred by chance (or perhaps not) is responsible for all that is now.
In some sense, you have to look outside of the box.
You can look at it from a lot of ways.
Atoms smashing.
Cells dividing.
Beings reproducing.
Imagine everything in a tiny space. All of infinite energy in a space tinier than a pinhead. Suddenly, it would get overwhelmed, and explode.
Note: I have been drinking - alot - so this may not make sense.
Imagine the universe in the sense of a single celled organism.
There was one cell (all the matter and energy in the universe) suddenly, it exploded (multiplied) and so an, and so on.
I don't know how to explain it in this frame of mind, really.
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Strangie, even in science - what was isn't always what is.
My point is (despite the fact it's not the intention of the thread) things change. Especially in science. That's what makes it science. That's what makes it interesting and new. If you aren't able to think there may be something outside of a Universe, fine. In no way is a Superverse comparable to a God.
I think the big bang therory is comparable to god because both instances break the basic rules of science as we know it. Science's base rule is the one about how energy can't be created or destroyed without something causing it.
You're probably thinking of it as Universe =/= Energy, but Energy is what must have always existed and always will. The creation of the universe just goes beyond the rules of science and what man itself can understand. The rules of earth is that everything has a begining, and everything has an end... so people are quick to dismiss the idea that the universe is eternal, weather its someone who believes in god or not. People want the universe or the earth to follow the same rules of having a set begining, and likely having a set end.
When someone says the univerve is eternal, think of it in the sense that energy is eternal.. Either that or someone/something created it. If neither is true, then science as the world knows it now is completly wrong about energy. And if that's so, I'd really like to see how you came to this conclusion.
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When someone says the univerve is eternal, think of it in the sense that energy is eternal.. Either that or someone/something created it. If neither is true, then science as the world knows it now is completly wrong about energy. And if that's so, I'd really like to see how you came to this conclusion.
Not to get all sci-fi, but (this isn't necessarily what I believe, for the record) but think of the pre-big bang matter as an atom. Now something must have caused it, like possibly another "atom" smashing into it. I know something must spark energy to start a reaction.
But there are so many ways you can look at it, that it's mind boggling. Every way you think of it can make sense - relatively - because realistically nothing can be proved 100%, so nobody can really tell you that you're wrong.
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Strangie, even in science - what was isn't always what is.
You can say the universe is infinite, but that too is just a theory. Albeit a widely believed theory, but still just a theory. The fact it's widely accepted doesn't make it 100% true.
The topic at hand isn't whether the unvierse is, was, or always will be. It's how. I never posed "Will it end". I never said the universe never existed.
So you're saying without a doubt there is just the universe, and that is all?
As Earth was the only planet?
As the sun was never a star?
As the galaxy never existed?
As the earth was the rotational point of everything?
My point is (despite the fact it's not the intention of the thread) things change. Especially in science. That's what makes it science. That's what makes it interesting and new. If you aren't able to think there may be something outside of a Universe, fine. In no way is a Superverse comparable to a God.
Typhoid, I have no clue what anything you wrote here has to do with what my response was. Further more, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about in any sentence you wrote. I'm suspicious that when you wrote this you were taking advantage of you country's liberal drug laws, but let me take a stab at it...
You open the thread by asking how the universe was created, eliminate God, then when an answer is given you say that there is no answer because everything changes?
Why did you pose whe question to begin with? And if your going to take such a philisophical route instead of scientific like you said, why eliminate God as a source?
You open the thread by asking how the universe was created, eliminate God, then when an answer is given you say that there is no answer because everything changes?
Because you were talking as if it was deadset fact.
The thread isn't meant to be "I think this. End conversation." but a discussion. Possiblities, no matter how strange.
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Why did you pose whe question to begin with?
Because I wanted to know people's stance.
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And if your going to take such a philisophical route instead of scientific like you said, why eliminate God as a source?
Because "The earth is only a few thousand years old, and was made in seven days" wasn't what I was going for.
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Not to get all sci-fi, but (this isn't necessarily what I believe, for the record) but think of the pre-big bang matter as an atom. Now something must have caused it, like possibly another "atom" smashing into it. I know something must spark energy to start a reaction.
But there are so many ways you can look at it, that it's mind boggling. Every way you think of it can make sense - relatively - because realistically nothing can be proved 100%, so nobody can really tell you that you're wrong.
What do you believe?
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