Bonds Hits Number 756

[MrCoffee]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Barry Bonds*

* - used performance enhancing drugs

that made me chuckle

[Professor S]

I stopped caring about baseball a long time ago... mainly because MLB not caring about its own image and reputation by allowing drugs to run rampant throught their sport.

[Jason1]

I used to have this deep hatred for Bonds like the rest of you. I mean sure, he used steroids. So did so many others though. IMO, hes one of the top 5 players to ever play the game, easily, despite that fact. I dont hate the guy.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Jason1

I used to have this deep hatred for Bonds like the rest of you. I mean sure, he used steroids. So did so many others though. IMO, hes one of the top 5 players to ever play the game, easily, despite that fact. I dont hate the guy.

I don't think anyone here has a deep hatred for Bonds. I certainly dislike the fact that he most likely used steroids, but I like other parts of his personalities. Hating him doesn't get you anywhere.

Bonds was certainly a hall of fame caliber player before he purportedly used steroids. I don't think anyone would argue his talent. But the rate at which he hit home runs towards the later part of his part is certainly odd.

Originally Posted by Professor S

1) Wrestling does not pretend to be a legitimate sport, its strictly entertainment. Two very different things.

That doesn't change the fact that steroids are still harmful to those who use them though, whether their sport be legitimate or not. I think we should first care about the damage steroids do to one's body, then worry about the sport itself.

2) I rarely watch the biggest offender of steroids, the WWE. I prefer the smaller promotions with unenhanced, but more athletic performers. I also love Japanese wrestling, and many of them barely resemble athletes, as they have a very low emphasis on the cosmetic aspect of American pro-wrestling. All that matters to them in in ring work rate.

Fair enough. The only wrestling I've ever watched is WWF/WCW/WWE, so I really can't comment.

3) Steroid inflated wrestlers tend to suck a wrestlers because their size limits their ability.

Chris Benoit was pretty good, no?

4) To my knowledge, The WWE has never kept an athlete out of their Hall of Fame for breaking one rule (Pete Rose), and then honor another for breaking a much worse one (Barry Bonds*). WWE wins on lack of hypocrisy alone.

But during the time frame that Bonds may have used steroids it wasn't against the MLB's rules, let alone illegal.

Major League Baseball is a sham, a hoax, a play. And unlike professional wrestling they refuse to admit it.

I'll agree that MLB ignored steroids for way too long, and to be honest it was probably because during the influx of steroids they were seeing an influx in the sport's popularity. But MLB now has the harshest steroid policy, and I think the game will be as clean as it can be within a few years.

[Typhoid]

Strangler, to say wrestling isn't a sport, because it's entertainment (which that form of wrestling is), and then to go around and say "They've never kept someone out of their hall of fame for steroids" is like comparing actors to athletes. Steroids in actors doesn't enhance the performance, in athletes it does. That's why Pete Rose isn't in, and why every wrestler - is.


Wrestlers are actors. They dont need to be super strong, and juiced up to win a match. It's scripted, it's set. It's planned. The size of their arms doesn't determine who wins, or loses.

They don't win by default on hypocrisy, because the two aren't even comparable in this matter.

Sport is up to the players, a show - an act - wrestling - is up to the writers. No amount of steroids will change the next Wresltmania Main event, but it may cost a team the Superbowl.

[Neo]

All I can say is, I wouldn't be nearly as good at WoW if I wasn't constantly juiced.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

They don't win by default on hypocrisy, because the two aren't even comparable in this matter.

1) I'm not the one that compared them, Bond was. I was responding to HIS comparison, so please jump on him as well, Mr. Salty Pants.

2) While Actors don't have a Hall of Fame, they do have awards shows, just like the Grammy's, etc.... where a grammy was revoked from Milli Vanilli because they cheated. So I guess even the Grammy's have more integrity than Major League baseball...

Athletics and entertainment are comparable on some level, because they are based on performance. Whether its hitting a ball or playing King Lear, you are performing. Right now I feel that Baseball is a fraud, and will be a fraud, while it tries and convince us its legitimate sport.

Pro wrestling is simulated sport (and unlike what you claim, they do need to be very strong to do what they do. I don't how anyone could think that you wouldn't need to be strong and fit to throw other people around for 30 minutes straight) and does not claim to be anything but a fraud. Therefore, there is no betrayal of trust when it is revealed that steroids are used.

That is where my comparison lies.


Bond, as for steroids not being illegal when all the homeruns were being hit...

the US Congress approved the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990, and accordingly the anabolic steroids are placed into Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...c-steroid.html

They have been illegal for quite some time, and have been abused by MLB for quite some time as well. All those home runs, all those records breaking, and it was all a joke.

I have a better question, though, and that is why would anyone believe that steroids are out of baseball? Sure, they "test" them, but what does that mean? WWE "tests" their wrestlers too. That doesn't mean they're clean, and MLB has a long history of decieving their public. It took CONGRESS to put things right again, why wouldn;t they go wrong again shortly afterward?

I'll watch baseball again when Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame and Barry Bonds is banned from baseball.

[Bond]

Alright, my bad on anabolic steroids. But, the book Game of Shadows alleges Bonds took stanozolol steroids, which weren't illegal in 1990 and still aren't illegal.

In any case, it's all just semantics anyway. Steroids should be eliminated from all sports unless if used for health purposes.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Professor S

I stopped caring about baseball a long time ago... mainly because MLB not caring about its own image and reputation by allowing drugs to run rampant throught their sport.

Er... but you still watch wrestling?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Bond

Er... but you still watch wrestling?

1) Wrestling does not pretend to be a legitimate sport, its strictly entertainment. Two very different things.

2) I rarely watch the biggest offender of steroids, the WWE. I prefer the smaller promotions with unenhanced, but more athletic performers. I also love Japanese wrestling, and many of them barely resemble athletes, as they have a very low emphasis on the cosmetic aspect of American pro-wrestling. All that matters to them in in ring work rate.

3) Steroid inflated wrestlers tend to suck a wrestlers because their size limits their ability.

4) To my knowledge, The WWE has never kept an athlete out of their Hall of Fame for breaking one rule (Pete Rose), and then honor another for breaking a much worse one (Barry Bonds*). WWE wins on lack of hypocrisy alone.

Major League Baseball is a sham, a hoax, a play. And unlike professional wrestling they refuse to admit it.

[Neo]

Barry Bonds Took Steroids, Reports Everyone Who Has Ever Watched Baseball

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46188

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by Professor S

I stopped caring about baseball a long time ago... mainly because MLB not caring about its own image and reputation by allowing drugs to run rampant throught their sport.

Not to keep picking on this point because I agree with you to an extent, but do you not think that the problem could be just as prevalent in the NFL? I assume you still watch the Eagles...(I'm psyched by the way, should be a good year) I don't think steroid abuse would make me stop watching the league but when a player like Shawn Merriman (NFL sack leader despite a 4-game suspension for steroids) is rewarded with a Pro Bowl appearance, I don't think we're sending the right message to anybody and doesn't make it much better than baseball.