Benoit strangled wife, smothered son

[Perfect Stu]

Really bizzare, killed his wife friday night, and his son saturday night/sunday morning. That's actually disturbing. I know drugs can cause people to lose their minds, but i truly feel there is always a choice involved, and so I have zero sympathy for Chris.

[Professor S]

More shocking was Ballard's revelation that The Benoit's son Daniel was found with needle marks in his arms. ESPN wrote, "The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized." HGH can be prescribed for children deemed hormone deficient.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

Anyone else still think there isn't a SERIOUS problem in the pro wrestling community???? HE WAS JUICING HIS OWN KID.

Once again, I'm not taking any blame off of Benoit, but just look at the list. Look at it. And you tell me that there isn't more to it than personal choice. This is a business based on the trade of lives for fame, and something has to change.

[Bond]

I was watching CNN and a lot of the talking heads were speculating it may have been roid rage. I suppose in a few weeks the tests will come back and we'll know for sure if he was or wasn't on steroids.

The problem I view with wrestling is that the WWE has a monopoly. So really, it's in the company's best interest to ignore steroid use. Now, of course, steroid use was ignored in baseball and football for the longest time, but, it was eventually handled because of the advantage players get from being on steroids. That is, there are competing teams within the MLB and NFL. The problem I see with wrestling is that there is no real competition, since all of the matches are staged.

[Typhoid]

Didn't Yokozuna die because he was fat?

Well by this logic a professional that works onskyscrapers or high voltage lines shouldn;t be afforded any protection or regulations for their health and safety? After all, their career is their choice right? Who cares if they get hurt or worse, die?

And again, you took what I said too literally.

If you work on a skyscraper, you know what you have to do day in and day out to succeed. You know you cant be afraid of heights. You know there is a chance you can die. You know you can get electrocuted and fall to your death. You know you should wear protective gear, or you'll get hurt.

Wrestlers need steroids to get bigger faster. They want to get bigger faster so they make it onto WWE in their prime. They know the sacrifices. They know steroids are bad. They choose to do them. They don't have to do them. They want to. They know the risks involved with the business, they know they have to give up family time, and pretty much a personal life for it.

The point is, they know full well what the business offers - in every aspect. They know what they need to do to get there. Regardless of the fact they shouldn't have to do steroids to get to the top - they pretty much have to - to be competative, and not be just a jobber.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Once again, I'm not taking any blame off of Benoit, but just look at the list. Look at it. And you tell me that there isn't more to it than personal choice. This is a business based on the trade of lives for fame, and something has to change.

I hope you aren't referring to me.

[TheGame]

A serious problem in the world today is that people seem not to want to take ownership of their own decisions. Every time someone does something good its like "I did it!" but when they do something bad they look for something or someone to blame.

Its not my job to pass judgement on people. I think he made a bad decision, period...

I kinda agree with Typhoid here. Its not the WWE's fault that they want to be a wrestler, and that they're willing to take extra steps to get to the top... Yes its bad that the WWE doesn't step in as much to stop them, but in the end everyone working there are grown ass men/women capible of making their own decisions. And its thier own decisions that got them killed.

In some industries you have to sell out to get to the top.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

I kinda agree with Typhoid here. Its not the WWE's fault that they want to be a wrestler, and that they're willing to take extra steps to get to the top... Yes its bad that the WWE doesn't step in as much to stop them, but in the end everyone working there are grown ass men/women capible of making their own decisions. And its thier own decisions that got them killed.

What about when it gets a wife and son killed in the process?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Professor S

What about when it gets a wife and son killed in the process?

Did any of the owners of the WWE make Benoit kill his family?
Did the WWE make him take steroids, which may have contributed to it?


If a McDonalds employee kills his/her family, because they dyed their hair, and hate their new appearance, but dying their hair was the only way to ensure a job at the top, that is not the fault of the company they worked for.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Did any of the owners of the WWE make Benoit kill his family?
Did the WWE make him take steroids, which may have contributed to it?


If a McDonalds employee kills his/her family, because they dyed their hair, and hate their new appearance, but dying their hair was the only way to ensure a job at the top, that is not the fault of the company they worked for.

I'm not placing BLAME, Benoit is wholly to blame, but instead asociated responsibility. When a drunk driver kills himself and a family in an accident, its not the government's fault... but it is their job to do everything to help keep that from happening again. Companies, like the government, have responsibility for the well being of their constituents and also those that they might hurt.

If a company knowingly hired drug addicts, and the addicts then killed a bunch of people, the company would hold some responsibility for enabling that addict and their destructive behavior. WWE is not taking that responsibility for the well being of their workers and danger they pose to themselves and others, the government must make them take responsibility, just as they do for construction and other labor intensive vocations (OSHA, for instance).

I really don't see why wrestling should be treated any differently when it comes to safety.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Professor S

What about when it gets a wife and son killed in the process?

Its really sad that this happend, but in the end his wife and kid was his own responceability, not the WWE's. He had complete control over every decision he made.

The problem with suicide is that it's mental. Someone creates a picture of the world in their mind where they have no oppertunity and would rather die. Even with bad decisions like using drugs, they feel pressured into it.. but the truth is, its just an illusion. Not just an illusion, a destructive illusion.

Maybe he wasn't fit to continue wrestling, maybe he should have just given up. Better that then killing your own family. I really don't like to talk down on the dead like this, but in the end I just hope people can learn something from it. If it was in fact drug related he wasted his entire life.

[Bond]

Hate to bring this topic back up again, but Benoit's body had ten times the normal level of testosterone:

DECATUR, Ga. - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit had a steroid and other drugs in his system when he killed his wife and young son last month and hanged himself in the family's home, investigators said Tuesday.

Benoit's body contained 10 times the normal level of testosterone, as well as amounts of the anti-anxiety drug Xanax and the painkiller hydrocodone, authorities said.

The testosterone, a synthetic version of the primary male sex hormone, is considered an anabolic steroid. The state's top medical examiner said it appeared to have been injected shortly before Benoit died.

Dr. Kris Sperry said there was no evidence of any other steroids in the wrestler's body, and nothing to show that steroids played a role in the death of Nancy and Daniel Benoit. He also said the boy appeared to have been sedated when he was asphyxiated, and Benoit's wife had a "therapeutic" level of sedatives in her body.

Sperry said there is no consensus that the use of testosterone can contribute to paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."

Source: Yahoo News

[Bond]

Originally Posted by TheGame

A serious problem in the world today is that people seem not to want to take ownership of their own decisions. Every time someone does something good its like "I did it!" but when they do something bad they look for something or someone to blame.

I think THAT is the biggest problem with our society today. People have confused freedom with having no responsibilities.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Bond

I think THAT is the biggest problem with our society today. People have confused freedom with having no responsibilities.

I dunno...I think a bigger problem might be people not taking accountability for their actions. There's always a finger pointing in the opposite direction.