PS3 will have a tough time. (interim E3 review)

manasecret · 05-09-2006, 09:08 PM

EDIT: I remembered what brought my post on, KillerGremlin's post.

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Honest to god, if I'm going to be moving as much as the people in Nintendo's videos, I might as well just get off my ass and do real sports. I'm not bad at athletics.

After seeing Miyamoto, Reggie, Iwata, and that lucky bastard play tennis together, and after seeing some of the ads for the other sports in that game like baseball, I can see Nintendo's strategy to appealing to nongamers working.

I mean, I can imagine myself pulling out the Wii to the living room, instead of keeping it regulated to the backroom where all of my normal family members can ignore it. And I can imagine myself pulling out that tennis game in front of my family and swinging the racket wildly around. I know everyone in my family would be intrigued, and everyone in my family would want to try a few swings of the wii racket.

How do I know this? Because I've been to arcades with some of my family, family who doesn't even know who makes the Playstation, let alone what an XBox is. But they love playing anything that simulates reality, or anything that is physical or just about anything that doesn't have a whole lot of buttons on it.

I've heard a couple of you on these boards say, "I just have no interest in swinging a controller around." Yeah, well, clearly everyone else in the world has no interest in sitting around pressing 20 buttons playing an interactive movie. I think most people out there, however, do have an interest in doing something physical, and something fun. And I think Nintendo has made something that does both, and well.

Jason1 · 05-09-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by manasecret

EDIT: I remembered what brought my post on, KillerGremlin's post.

After seeing Miyamoto, Reggie, Iwata, and that lucky bastard play tennis together, and after seeing some of the ads for the other sports in that game like baseball, I can see Nintendo's strategy to appealing to nongamers working.

I mean, I can imagine myself pulling out the Wii to the living room, instead of keeping it regulated to the backroom where all of my normal family members can ignore it. And I can imagine myself pulling out that tennis game in front of my family and swinging the racket wildly around. I know everyone in my family would be intrigued, and everyone in my family would want to try a few swings of the wii racket.

How do I know this? Because I've been to arcades with some of my family, family who doesn't even know who makes the Playstation, let alone what an XBox is. But they love playing anything that simulates reality, or anything that is physical or just about anything that doesn't have a whole lot of buttons on it.

I've heard a couple of you on these boards say, "I just have no interest in swinging a controller around." Yeah, well, clearly everyone else in the world has no interest in sitting around pressing 20 buttons playing an interactive movie. I think most people out there, however, do have an interest in doing something physical, and something fun. And I think Nintendo has made something that does both, and well.

very well put, I agree totally. And I mean nintendo has been exaggerating the whole movement thing quite a bit, in other words, any game besides maybe a golf title should be easily playable from a seated position. For those of us who would rather sit down.

Dyne · 05-10-2006, 04:42 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99613

HD-DVD addon for Xbox 360 might cost $199.

This is a very smart move for Microsoft.

With PS3, you're forced to buy Bluray, which is a sketchy format. 360 gives you the option to buy HD-DVD.

In regards to bluray vs hd dvd comments -

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Intel executives, who first got involved in the working groups for next-generation DVD formats to help avoid a format war, already are bracing for an era of consumer confusion as a Blu-Ray-vs.-HD-DVD scenario takes shape. "We didn't want two formats coming out," says Balogh. "Now we have an even standoff, so neither side wants to compromise whatsoever." Making matters worse, he says, the entertainment studios also are split between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, although more big studios have backed HD-DVD at this point.

"The studios will be the kingmakers here," he says. Ultimately, consumers may struggle to figure out what kind of players and media to purchase during the next couple of years. "The most important benefit to the consumer is that the HD-DVD players that we'll be introducing to the market this year will be fully backward compatible with the current DVDs that are already in consumers' homes. With the Blu-Ray formats' backward compatibility isn't so simple," adds Sally.

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messa...79/129058.html

This is just going to be another VHS/Betamax.

Null · 05-10-2006, 05:29 PM

in some ways its smart, in other ways its not and it shows something that didnt look at before hand. i doubt even 50% of the userbase will ever even buy that, and its like they're trying to fix the fact that it didnt come out with one to begin with. which woulda been better had it come with one because games could use the extra space.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

In regards to bluray vs hd dvd comments -

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messa...79/129058.html

This is just going to be another VHS/Betamax.

yes it is going to be another vhs betamax. one will take over and the other wil be gone. however which one that will be is anyones guess at the moment. that article is over a year old. studios have switched sides since then.
and it says more, it doesnt say more of the major ones. and the major studios, i foget how many there are, is what will determine the winner.

they both have thier good and bad sides. in one of the ads last weekend it had some HD DVD's listed at $30 each, not even new releases. if thats the price we can expect from em. i say screw em both, i dont want to be spending that much on a movie. i wont even spend the $20 they cost now, i either buy them right away when they're $15 or buy em a year later when they drop to $10.

Dyne · 05-10-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Null

they both have thier good and bad sides. in one of the ads last weekend it had some HD DVD's listed at $30 each, not even new releases. if thats the price we can expect from em. i say screw em both, i dont want to be spending that much on a movie. i wont even spend the $20 they cost now, i either buy them right away when they're $15 or buy em a year later when they drop to $10.

Which is the damned perfect approach 360 has. If you don't want HD-DVD, don't buy it. It's genius.

Sony is really putting a lot of faith into bluray. Too much, even.

bobcat · 05-10-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Which is the damned perfect approach 360 has. If you don't want HD-DVD, don't buy it. It's genius.

Sony is really putting a lot of faith into bluray. Too much, even.

Kind of reminds me when Sony brought out their network walkman using Attrac3 format, not mp3. Later on they released a version which can play both mp3 and Attrac3/+

Null · 05-10-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Which is the damned perfect approach 360 has. If you don't want HD-DVD, don't buy it. It's genius.

Sony is really putting a lot of faith into bluray. Too much, even.

yes for movies thats fine. i agree with you. im talking about on the subject of games, by the end of this gen, games on PS3 and X360 are going to be HUGE, and MS is going to be trying to cram them into a DVD. thats not genious. thats the ups and downs on both sides, your damned if you do (price) your damned if you dont (lack of storage)

Perfect Stu · 05-10-2006, 08:18 PM

Wait...so to get an XBox 360 with HD-DVD, and a 20 GIG HDD, will it cost more or less than the PS3's ridiculous $599 with Blu-Ray and a 60 GIG HDD?

Crash · 05-11-2006, 11:03 AM

ps3 Final Design Revealed:

fingersman · 05-11-2006, 05:14 PM

Do any one you guys think that Sony will drop the price of the PS3 b4 it launches. I think they will.

It would be a smart marketing tatic.

Canyarion · 05-11-2006, 05:32 PM

Yeah but think of all the money they'll lose on it.

I've been thinking today.
Sony is weird. They're trying to give us tomorrow's technology. They're using technology that's not profitable to use, since it's too expensive to make.

bobcat · 05-11-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fingersman

Do any one you guys think that Sony will drop the price of the PS3 b4 it launches. I think they will.

It would be a smart marketing tatic.

I hope so, for me that is too expensive. Or I'll wait for a price drop...if it's significant...but still yeh

GameMaster · 05-11-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fingersman

Do any one you guys think that Sony will drop the price of the PS3 b4 it launches. I think they will.

It would be a smart marketing tatic.

I don't think they can or will.

I believe they need that money simply to stay afloat and not start losing money.

Canyarion · 05-11-2006, 07:47 PM

I'm sure they're already losing a lot of money on that. Read my previous post. They put in technology that's too expensive to make (and then I mainly mean Blu-Ray, don't know about the rest).

Null · 05-11-2006, 08:05 PM

they dont make money on the consoles. they want to take a loss. the more people they get the console out to the more games will be bought, which is where the money is made. even more so this time for sony because they also want to get the bluray out and catching on, because if that catches on and wins out over HDDVD, they stand to make a lot lot lot more money.