You know...some irony

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Here's the difference between the reactions of Christians to a religious cartoon and the reaction of Islam to a religious cartoon:

Burned cars, riots, violence and death.
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Christains would do that too, if there werent strict laws in civilized countries.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Christains would do that too, if there werent strict laws in civilized countries.

Well then, do the laws dictate the civilization, or are the laws simply a relfection of what that civilization deems acceptable?

In history, Christian civilizations have been guilty of many of the faults that modern Islam is showing, but most of those faults were addressed and resolved during the reformation and the constant evoltion of the Christian faith.

It is the static nature of Islam that lends itself to increasing violence.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Well then, do the laws dictate the civilization, or are the laws simply a relfection of what that civilization deems acceptable?

In history, Christian civilizations have been guilty of many of the faults that modern Islam is showing, but most of those faults were addressed and resolved during the reformation and the constant evoltion of the Christian faith.

It is the static nature of Islam that lends itself to increasing violence.

In history, yes. But recently? How many Christians have recently had largescale terrorist tendancies?

That was my point.


And the laws dictate the civilization. Stricter rules mean more lashing out. However, that also is true for really lenient laws.

The laws that are in effect in specific areas, dictates how that area will act.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

In history, yes. But recently? How many Christians have recently had largescale terrorist tendancies?

That was my point.

Are yousaying that Christains have had largescale terrorist tendencies recently or that they haven't? If you are saying they have, I'd like some examples, and moreover I'd like you to define what you consider to be "terrorism". If you are saying they haven't, then I agree with you.

As for laws dictating a civilization, I couldn't disagree with you more. The civilization writes the laws. They dictate what rules and standards they should live by and what behaviors are punishable. Without the civilization, the laws would not exist.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Are yousaying that Christains have had largescale terrorist tendencies recently or that they haven't? If you are saying they have, I'd like some examples, and moreover I'd like you to define what you consider to be "terrorism". If you are saying they haven't, then I agree with you.

As for laws dictating a civilization, I couldn't disagree with you more. The civilization writes the laws. They dictate what rules and standards they should live by and what behaviors are punishable. Without the civilization, the laws would not exist.

I was saying they havent. Sorry.



And I dont agree with the law and civilization thing. Yes, the civilization writes the laws, but thats just a select few who do so. They rest of the populace has to stay in bounds of those rules, thusly, defining who they are.

Laws can be changed in a matter of weeks, but a civilization cant be.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

And I dont agree with the law and civilization thing. Yes, the civilization writes the laws, but thats just a select few who do so. They rest of the populace has to stay in bounds of those rules, thusly, defining who they are.

Yes, but in the case of democracy (or democratic republic in our case) civs those select few are chosen by the many to represent them. The rules and laws are constantly changing as well, even in totalitarian regimes. It is a common belief that in order to rule a nation/civilization you must appease the people. This has been shown time and time again with empires like Rome and even the Mongols, who assimilated parts of conquered civs into their own and even would considered conquered civs to be "protectorates", meaning they essentially ran themselves but were a part of Rome.

We can see people rebelling against laws they don't agree with in Europe already. In France, there are No Go Zones. No Go Zones are areas that the police and authorities do not go that are controlled by Mosques and Islamic law. Essenitally France has agreed to allow parts of their population to remove itself from their country and rule themselves because they do not agree with modern democratic/Western rule. (Credit Glenn Beck radio program)

If the people do not agree with a law, no select few can make them adhere to it.

Laws can be changed in a matter of weeks, but a civilization cant be.

Exactly.

[Xantar]

Just to be clear, are we saying that the Middle East states are going to blow up into violent blood baths because they're Islamic or because they're radical? After all, Indonesia and Turkey are doing just fine, and at one time it was the Islamic world that was the most tolerant and diverse civilization on earth.

The problem in Palestine is that the people are under thrall to a corrupt regime (with the possible exception of Mahmoud Abbas) that doesn't care about them. I often think that the worst thing that could happen to Hamas is the destruction of Israel because then the Palestinians would look around and realize that their life still sucks and the Israelis weren't being so bad to them after all.

Not that I think Israel or the Western world is totally blameless either since the process of Israel's creation, while well-intentioned, was pretty flawed as well.

P.S. The Clash of Civilizations by Huntington is a worthwhile read but not a terribly good analysis, in my opinion.

P.P.S. Oh, and those Paris riots from a while ago which burned hundreds of cars? Just to be clear, those were not Islamic riots. In fact, a lot of the rioters there were Jewish. As well as Arab and African. It wasn't a problem of religion. It was a problem of "foreigners" vs. "French."

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

In history, yes. But recently? How many Christians have recently had largescale terrorist tendancies?

That was my point.


And the laws dictate the civilization. Stricter rules mean more lashing out. However, that also is true for really lenient laws.

The laws that are in effect in specific areas, dictates how that area will act.

Man...what?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Man...what?

*Makes general bland statemtn as to how Dylflon always makes posts directed at Typhoid in threads like this with no actual intent other than to seemingly attempt to annoy him.*

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

*Makes general bland statemtn as to how Dylflon always makes posts directed at Typhoid in threads like this with no actual intent other than to seemingly attempt to annoy him.*

I really just didn't understand your post.