Thousands chant 'Get out, Bush!'

Krypton · 11-04-2005, 06:53 PM

Bush, Fascist?

MAR DEL PLATA, Argentina (AP) -- Thousands of protesters chanting "Get out Bush!" swarmed the streets of this Argentine resort on Friday.

Before dawn, thousands greeted a train bringing the last group of demonstrators from Buenos Aires, including Bolivian presidential hopeful Evo Morales and soccer great Diego Maradona, who donned a T-shirt accusing President Bush of war crimes.

Chanting "Fascist Bush! You are the terrorist!" the protesters hung from the engine and moved up the sides of the train, trying to shake hands with those inside.

Later, they took to the streets, heading toward a stadium where Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez made a speech before joining the Summit of the Americas.

Chavez arrived early Friday, saying he was "inspired" by the protesters, who also oppose the U.S.-led negotiations to form a Free Trade Area of the Americas stretching from Alaska to Argentina.

One marcher, Canadian steelworker Dennis Matteau, said free trade must be stopped.

"We have NAFTA, so we know about free trade deals," he said. "They are not good for workers."

The march was mostly peaceful, although some self-proclaimed anarchists spray-painted slogans on a bank. Most businesses along the route had closed, except for a fruit stand protected by a wall of wooden crates.

"So far, I've only lost four bananas," owner Blas Zanghi said.

Shuttling between luxury hotels, Bush met with Argentine President Nestor Kirchner as well as Central American and Andean leaders Friday before joining the 34-nation summit.

Leaders attending the two-day summit agreed ahead of time to focus on creating jobs and reducing poverty.

In recent days, however, attention has shifted to the free trade issue and sparring between the United States and Chavez, a leftist whose government has used his country's vast oil wealth on social programs for the poor.

Thousands of protestors chanting "Get out, Bush!" jammed the streets of Mar del Plata, Argentina, on Friday.

Teuthida · 11-04-2005, 07:04 PM

Sadly that ain't gonna do squat.

Krypton · 11-04-2005, 07:23 PM

I can't remember, wasnt Hitler also fascist?

Typhoid · 11-04-2005, 08:15 PM

By far, the best part of that article:

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"So far, I've only lost four bananas," owner Blas Zanghi said.

Dylflon · 11-04-2005, 10:51 PM

The Bush regime isn't doing so hot.

All this internal crap and now the EU is calling attention to various internment camps run by the CIA that are quite against international law.
Not to mention all the other pieces of info to come to light.

I'm wondering if anyone still supports having American troops in Iraq.

America is short on friends right now. Even Canada who is supposed to be America's best friend and biggest trading partner (we still provide more oil than any other country and a lot of electricity and water) is getting mad and demanding the money we're getting boned out of.

With crisis in New Orleans, televangelists calling for assassinations and support on all sides and support from the inside waning, it is not a good time to be George W. Bush.

Krypton · 11-05-2005, 12:03 AM

I know I havent been on this earth as long as some of you have, but this is the worst condition i've ever seen America in. ever since hurricane katrina, it's been going down hill.

The Germanator · 11-05-2005, 12:34 AM

Props to anyone who loved that show as much as me...

GameMaster · 11-05-2005, 02:27 AM

Does this look like a facist to you?

A Hero stands tall in the face of danger.

Professor S · 11-05-2005, 02:28 AM

I wouldn't take anything Hugo "Stalin Rocks" Chavez says to heart... I'll leave it at that.

Typhoid · 11-05-2005, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor S

I wouldn't take anything Hugo "Stalin Rocks" Chavez says to heart... I'll leave it at that.

But you believe George "Terror can be strapped to the back of that bird or even inside the teeth of that gopher, we are all surrounded by terror at all times the only way to not be terrified of terror is to terrify terror first" Bush?

Happydude · 11-05-2005, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

But you believe George "Terror can be strapped to the back of that bird or even inside the teeth of that gopher, we are all surrounded by terror at all times the only way to not be terrified of terror is to terrify terror first" Bush?

seriously though...i don't support the war much...but i really don't care what goes on in the US as long as the rest of the world isn't affected in a big way.

Professor S · 11-05-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

But you believe George "Terror can be strapped to the back of that bird or even inside the teeth of that gopher, we are all surrounded by terror at all times the only way to not be terrified of terror is to terrify terror first" Bush?

I didn't say that, and in fact I think Bush has done a horrible job explaining the war and the reasons why we're still there and will be there for a while. All I mentioned was the person who this topic is about, a Stalinist thug named Hugo Chavez, who much like Middle East leaders uses the US as a scapegoat to keep the people's eyes away from him. There are any number of people who are critical of Bush who could be seen as "legitiamate", Chavez is ot one of them. Do some research on people before throwing your support to them and their opinions just because on a surface level they seem to agree with you about Bush. There is more going wrong in the world than George W. Bush, even though the media would have you believe otherwise.

And would you rather we just ignore terror, or that there are large clandestine groups with access to funds and possibly nuclear capabilities that want to kill us? Thats the formula that GOT US BOMBED TO BEGIN WITH, but I'm sure you'd rather not think about that. I look at it like weather prediction: you prepare the public for the worst, just in case the worst happens. Hopefully and most likely it never will happen, but that is not an excuse for apathy.

I get the feeling you think that Bush keeps us all paranoid about terrorism 24/7, and we Americans walk around worrying about the next 9/11 constantly. We don't. Being aware of something and being paranoid about it are two very different things. Now if I lived in Israel, I'd be pretty paranoid... not here.

Krypton · 11-05-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Germanator

Props to anyone who loved that show as much as me...

I've never seen the show. Looks funny actually.

Bond · 11-05-2005, 03:26 PM

Hugo Chavez is basically an authoritarian demagogue.

Human rights organizations Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have levied heavy criticism against Chávez's policies and governance. Scores of deaths and hundreds of injuries inflicted during opposition demonstrations have resulted in little investigative action taken on the part of Chávez. Ill treatment of detainees, torture, and censorship are other severe criticisms against Chávez's government levelled by such organizations. Meanwhile, relatives of victims who were killed in the April 11, 2002 clashes have filed a case against Chávez and others at the International Criminal Court, stating that Chávez is legally complicit in crimes against humanity. A ruling has yet to be reached.Hugo Chávez is a passionately disputed personality, both in Venezuela and abroad. His most steadfast domestic opponents state that Chávez is a dangerous militarist and authoritarian revolutionary who poses a fundamental threat to Venezuelan democracy. The opposition also reports that both poverty and unemployment figures under Chávez have not seen dramatic improvements (some report that the figures have actually worsened), and that official corruption under his government is as rampant as ever. Opposition figures point to the many public hospitals that lack even basic medicines and hygenic supplies. They also point to the over 25% drop in Venezuela's per-capita GDP under Chávez. Others cite his demogoguery and personality cult as pathways to achieving power and adulation. More specifically, the opposition has reported that the Chávez government has engaged in extensive electoral fraud throughout its duration, especially during the 2000 and 2004 elections. The opposition also reports that some 98% of arrestees are anti-Chávez. More sympathetic critcisms arise from reports that Chávez is not fulfilling his major campaign pledges with respect to labor and land reform. Abroad, Western mainstream news media have reported that Chávez is a confrontational ideologue who willingly harbors, funds, and trains terrorists in Venezuela and insurgents abroad.

He's a real great guy to listen to. Really.

Typhoid · 11-05-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor S

There are any number of people who are critical of Bush who could be seen as "legitiamate", Chavez is ot one of them. Do some research on people before throwing your support to them and their opinions just because on a surface level they seem to agree with you about Bush.

Can you show me where I said I agreed with him please?

Just because I dont like Bush, doesnt mean I sympathize with Chavez. That just happens to be common ground we share.

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...And would you rather we just ignore terror, or that there are large clandestine groups with access to funds and possibly nuclear capabilities that want to kill us? Thats the formula that GOT US BOMBED TO BEGIN WITH, but I'm sure you'd rather not think about that. I look at it like weather prediction: you prepare the public for the worst, just in case the worst happens...

Prepare people for the worst?

Why not justbe ready constantly for the apocalypse then? Surely eternal hellfire is pretty bad, is it not?

Why not prepare everyone for WW3, or a sudden alien attack?

I look at it, like I look at the terror of stars exploding.

Yes, its a real threat. Yes, it will happen. Yes iit has happened before.

But the one close to us wont majorly explode within ANY of our, our childrens, or our childrends childrens lives.

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I get the feeling you think that Bush keeps us all paranoid about terrorism 24/7, and we Americans walk around worrying about the next 9/11 constantly. We don't. Being aware of something and being paranoid about it are two very different things. Now if I lived in Israel, I'd be pretty paranoid... not here.

Yes, and I get the feeling you Americans think we all live in igloos, ride dog sleds, love hockey, maple syrup, pancakes, love flannel and are lumberjacks. We don't.

Yes being aware and being paranoid are two different things, but Bush has gotten so good at blurring the line between the two. He can turn awareness into paranoia in a sheer moment. Anyone can now because of whats happened.

Using Israel as an example isnt even on the same scale. Thats like comparing the standards of any NFL team to some elementary school team.
Yes, Israel is paranoid, but they are on large scale daily threats. They dont have a large military (in comparison), and they arent the most powerful country in the world.
Why not compare yourself to Canada? Surely, we Canadians have to be mighty paranoid about terrorist attacks. I mean, we're right next to the U.S. We're the same race, and speak the same language. Yet nobody has force fed any sort of terror threats, or paranoia schemes down our gullets.