Batman Begins Talkback *Spoilers Version*

[Teuthida]

Yes, I've read the comics. Closer doesn't always mean better...and wasn't even that close. Ra's Al Ghul had no part in the training of Batman. The two never met until Bats had Robin. And no Ubu? Pfft. Batman never had a fear of bats...he uses the symbol because criminals are a superstitious lot. And where is all the forensics training he is suppose to also have learned. Not rely on Fox to do all the dirty work. The only comics I have with Fox are the No Man Land ones and don't believe he ever has a clue.

I'm assuming by closer you're referring to Burton using Joker as a stand in for the murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne. The Killing Joke came out a year before Burton's Batman was released. So at the time of the production of the movie Joker really didn't have a true past and thus was stuck into Batman's creation. And they were suppose to have been leaving a movie of Zorro, not some Opera. Zorro was a big influence on the costume of Batman. The best origin story is in Mask of the Phantasm. Bruce W. Timm really should of have a hand in the live-action movie.

Batman was no where near the detective he's suppose to have been which is also how Ra's Al Ghul always referred to him; "The Detective." Here he's just a real angry guy who screams a lot. Batman is suppose to have a cool and collected demeanor.

In the fall gonna have a prof. who worked on The Dark Knight Returns (which I really did care for either) with Frank Miller as well as a Batman editor. Wondering what their opinion is gonna be on this movie.

I hope the 2nd one is decent. Dunno if Nolan has it in him to really make Joker Joker.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Danchastu

Yes, I've read the comics. Closer doesn't always mean better...and wasn't even that close. Ra's Al Ghul had no part in the training of Batman. The two never met until Bats had Robin. And no Ubu? Pfft.

That's no different than stuffing the Joker into the role of Bruce's parents killer. I don't think the Joker originally appeared in the comics until after Robin was introduced, either, but there he was in Batman '89, and there Robin wasn't.

Originally Posted by Danchastu

Batman never had a fear of bats...he uses the symbol because criminals are a superstitious lot.

In the movie, both reasons are used. No, Batman never says "superstitious lot," but I don't think he ever has outside of the comics. But he does dress as a bat to scare criminals. And frankly, I think Bruce's inspiration coming from his fear bats is much, much better than from "a bat randomly flew in the window at the precise moment that Bruce needed inspiration."

Originally Posted by Danchastu

And where is all the forensics training he is suppose to also have learned. Not rely on Fox to do all the dirty work. The only comics I have with Fox are the No Man Land ones and don't believe he ever has a clue.

Its a tad more realistic and much easier to portray in a movie if Bruce gets his weapons from some outside source than developing every single one by himself. Considering Nolan's intent in the movie (to make it grounded in a sort of semi-relaity), it works better.

Originally Posted by Danchastu

I'm assuming by closer you're referring to Burton using Joker as a stand in for the murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne. The Killing Joke came out a year before Burton's Batman was released. So at the time of the production of the movie Joker really didn't have a true past and thus was stuck into Batman's creation.

What about Joe Chill? Wasn't he named by then? Or was he still nameless thug? It doesn't matter. What matters is that Burton changed a very important part of Batman's history by replacing Chill with the Joker, and giving him a fake name like "Jack Napier." Ruins the whole movie. I can't believe they would mess around with Batman like that.

Originally Posted by Danchastu

And they were suppose to have been leaving a movie of Zorro, not some Opera. Zorro was a big influence on the costume of Batman. The best origin story is in Mask of the Phantasm. Bruce W. Timm really should of have a hand in the live-action movie.

I always figured that Zorro had more of an impression on being Batman (vigilante fighting for justice with a mask) on a whole than just a costume. Anyway, yeah seeing an opera is different, but so? Its not like the entire mythos depends on Bruce seeing Zorro. It works just as well in the movie.

Originally Posted by Danchuastu

Batman was no where near the detective he's suppose to have been which is also how Ra's Al Ghul always referred to him; "The Detective." Here he's just a real angry guy who screams a lot. Batman is suppose to have a cool and collected demeanor.

Like Batman was a detective in the Burton movies? As I seem to recall, the most "detective" stuff he did was stare at a TV screen and then pop out an answer.

And Batman in Begins is cool and collected. The only time he isn't is when he's interrogating somebody. Frankly, I find a guy who's screaming at me to be a tad bit scarier than some guy who's calmly asking me. This is, by the way, pretty much how he is shown in TAS, the producer of which you wished could have been involved in the movie.


/me shrugs and walks away

[Perfect Stu]

GOD DAMMIT FINALLY they do BATMAN the way BATMAN is supposed to be done.


Bruce Wayne is now an actual CHARACTER on the big screen...he's believable. He was a lilttle rich kid but then us viewers got to see WHY he became the DARK KNIGHT. This director told the story the way it was meant to be told in cinema...Christian Bale was perfectly cast. The best Batman by far, it's no contest. He's believable...he makes the old Batman's look like they were out trick-or-treating instead of fighting corruption. In the movie I look at his character and think "this is the kinda motherf*cker who WOULD go the way of the Batman".

The theme was dark, thank GOD. It wasnt a kid's movie with lame jokes from Tommy Lee Jones and Arnie. The jokes in the movie were simple, well delivered and provided good comic relief. I wouldnt take my 8 year old (if I had one) to see this movie and that's the way it should be. He's the dark knight. He doesnt put on a show...he hides in the shadows and uses FEAR against criminals.

Michael Cane, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Liam Neeson: THANK you for doing this movie. You were all great. All Katie Holmes needed to do was look pretty, and not stink up the screen. Katie? You looked pretty. You didnt stink up the screen. Good enough.

I'm so happy that I got to see a real BATMAN movie.

Right up there close to Sin City as one of the best movies I've seen this year...

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Danchastu

Yes, I've read the comics. Closer doesn't always mean better...and wasn't even that close. Ra's Al Ghul had no part in the training of Batman. The two never met until Bats had Robin. And no Ubu? Pfft. Batman never had a fear of bats...he uses the symbol because criminals are a superstitious lot. And where is all the forensics training he is suppose to also have learned. Not rely on Fox to do all the dirty work. The only comics I have with Fox are the No Man Land ones and don't believe he ever has a clue.

I'm assuming by closer you're referring to Burton using Joker as a stand in for the murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne. The Killing Joke came out a year before Burton's Batman was released. So at the time of the production of the movie Joker really didn't have a true past and thus was stuck into Batman's creation. And they were suppose to have been leaving a movie of Zorro, not some Opera. Zorro was a big influence on the costume of Batman. The best origin story is in Mask of the Phantasm. Bruce W. Timm really should of have a hand in the live-action movie.

Batman was no where near the detective he's suppose to have been which is also how Ra's Al Ghul always referred to him; "The Detective." Here he's just a real angry guy who screams a lot. Batman is suppose to have a cool and collected demeanor.

In the fall gonna have a prof. who worked on The Dark Knight Returns (which I really did care for either) with Frank Miller as well as a Batman editor. Wondering what their opinion is gonna be on this movie.

I hope the 2nd one is decent. Dunno if Nolan has it in him to really make Joker Joker.

I was referring to the atmosphere of the comics. I would never say that a comic book movie had to continuous and in line with the comics, because, quite frankly, the COMICS aren't even inline with the comics. They skip around so much, and have so many people writing so many different series about the same character that it would be impossible to make a movie that flowed with them perfectly because there are so many versions.

I hope the second one follows the same trend as the first one, for pretty much all the reasons Stu stated.

[Perfect Stu]

Any red blooded male that DIDNT notice the nipplage deserves to be castrated...

Originally Posted by Vampyr

I hope the second one follows the same trend as the first one, for pretty much all the reasons Stu stated.

you're a smart man...I have good taste in movies. it's science.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

Any red blooded male that DIDNT notice the nipplage deserves to be castrated...

/me raises hand


/me shrugs and castrates self