The Draft

Dylflon · 06-17-2005, 10:12 PM

I am anti-draft all the way. The only way I'd fight is if my country was being invaded. Then I would take up arms with no questions asked.

I'm one of those nuts that believe we should be able to solve the world's probelms with diplomacy. I know this is wholly unrealistic in many cases of world affairs but I hope that in the future, we can get our **** together and cooperate as a united people.

I'm very anti-violence and I don't feel it fair to force people to be put in a kill or be killed situation against their will. Wars are hardly ever worth fighting.

DarrenMcLeod · 06-17-2005, 11:03 PM

Now America's got a brand new war
Can anybody tell me what we're fighting for?
Time to manufacture the illusion of safety
Don't fear, just consume to uphold the economy
Yeah we always buy everything that they're selling
Everything that they're selling

Paying for the bombs that fall on our children
Now we're headed for our own demise
Dreaming of another mushroom cloud horizon
And that's the bottom line
It's time to cancel my subscription
I just can't stomach anymore of the lies
Violence equals violence and its no solution
And that's the bottom line.

(Taken from RX Bandits - Newstand.)

For more clarification, I support the troops that go out and fight, because they are extremely brave, and they love their country and are willing to fight for it. It's the wars themselves that I don't support.

Bond · 06-18-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

I am anti-draft all the way. The only way I'd fight is if my country was being invaded. Then I would take up arms with no questions asked.

I'm one of those nuts that believe we should be able to solve the world's probelms with diplomacy. I know this is wholly unrealistic in many cases of world affairs but I hope that in the future, we can get our **** together and cooperate as a united people.

I'm very anti-violence and I don't feel it fair to force people to be put in a kill or be killed situation against their will. Wars are hardly ever worth fighting.

Well, at least you're realistic in the sense that you know your expectations are unrealistic. The only time we'll band together as one people is if the planet Earth is ever threatened.

gekko · 06-18-2005, 12:04 PM

The reason the pro-military folks are against it is it brings in some horrible soldiers. Many will refuse to fight, and the military will have to resort to the methods they used in Vietnam, severe ass-beatings, in order to get them to comply with orders. They also are not dependable in battle, and no one knows how they will react when bullets fly by. It's hard to take a pacifist and make him into a warrior.

For the anti-war folks, they are selfish. They don't care about fighting for their country, and they don't care about bringing the troops home. You know the quickest way to get our troops home? Send replacements. We have guys going for a 3rd tour in a 4 year enlistment, and if they ever activate stop loss again, they could end up doing 4. But they are selfish, and would rather they dodge bullets time and time again than allow them to finally see their family and watch their child grow up.

As for the people out there right now, don't say they knew what they were getting into. You have no idea. What you know about the military going in, when you choose to sign the contract, is completely different from the military you experience just a few months into that 4 years. Now what choice do you have? None. They signed up for what their recruiter told them it was like, now they spend 4 years realizing they made a mistake. So don't think we volunteer for it because we love this stuff. Most people I've met, hate it.

As for the draft, the biggest problem is that the people we bring in don't get the proper training before being sent to war. I'm not sure how the Army works, but in the Marine Corps, the 3 month boot camp is all about teaching discipline, the 8 week infantry school teaches very basic skills. You learn everything else at your unit. It's not enough to send them to war immediately.

The draft would be better used to replace stateside jobs so those guys can deploy, because a lot of former infantry move on after 4 years, go do something else. Get them back, and put someone else in their jobs.

The thing most of you don't realize is that war isn't political. You guys sit around all day debating worthless politics, but the politics end when you leave this country. As soon as you're walking the streets of Fallujah, it no longer matters why we went to war, whether it was just or not, or whether the war is worth fighting. It's irrelevant. You take a look at the situation and know you're in a foreign country, you're fighting a war, at any second someone may try to kill you, and if you die you won't be coming home. Politics no longer matters, all that you worry about is survival.

Dylflon · 06-18-2005, 01:59 PM

War is just so damn futile.

Joeiss · 06-18-2005, 02:33 PM

If Canada had a draft, and I got my notice or whatever... I would go without complaint.

Solid Snake · 06-18-2005, 04:20 PM

First off the President will only implement a draft in dire need, therefore I support it 100%. If this country ever comes to the point where it has no choice, but to draft soldiers it would be for a good reason, and I would probably volunteer before they could draft me.

Of course soldiers hate going to Iraq, find me one person that enjoys being away from home and getting shot at. Soldiers don't enlist to go to war, they enlist to be part of something bigger, they are there to be the few brave souls who want to make their country better and stand up to evil in the world. It takes a special person to fight wars.

I personally am in support of the Iraq war, the world is a better place today because of what we have done, the only thing that worries me is I am afraid of Iraq turning into another Gaza strip.