Batman Begins Talkback *Spoilers Version*

[Ginkasa]

/me sighs

I have to wait until this weekend to see it...

I'm so excited ^_^


/me shrugs and walks away

[Professor S]

Just saw it, and it was great. Christopher Nolan definitely did his homework on The Batman and borrowed a lot from the right source: Frank Miller. Frank Miller is the master of The Batman with his seminole tales The Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One, in fact much of Batman Begins appears to be directly influenced by Year One.

BTW, IGN just voted those two stories as the #1 and #2 greatest Batman stories ever told. Check them out. Arkham Asylum is a great one too, as is The Killing Joke.

Back to the movie, Christian Bale did a great job, but he may have gone a little over the edge with the snarling even though I know thats what they were going for. Gary Oldman IS Commisoner Gordon. And even though they screwed with one of the greatest foes in Batman's history, Ra's Al Ghul, Liam Neison does a great job playing the dual roles of Ducard and Al Ghul.

Oh yeah, and this is THE BEST Batmobile EVER. Hands down.

[Seth]

Saw it tonight. Not bad.
The drug stuff was crazy. Not like the normal superhero movie for sure.



drink oj

[MuGen]

Although I still think Michael Keaton played the best Batman... I believe Batman Begins is the best overall Batman movie ever made. Having seen all of them, they seem to have gotten all the elements correct. They show how he begins and how he takes form... and even how he gets all his weapons and gadgets. Showing him as a more stealthy assassin type really worked well. I didn't like the cartoons or even the movies with George Clooney and Val Kilmer in which he just blows through a glass ceiling and the villains hail "It's Batman!"

Seeing the villains fear the bat really brought out the essence of what Bruce Wayne really was aiming for, and what League of Shadows taught him in using Fear to engage enemies.

Also the end... with the joker card... my heart was racing.... I cannot wait for the next installment..

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Sony

Also the end... with the joker card... my heart was racing.... I cannot wait for the next installment..

Uh, i don't think that it points toward a new movie with joker, but rather the original batman, in which Joker was the villian.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyways, Batman begins was hands down the best batman thus far. Great casting, beautiful plot unfolding, and finally a batman movie thats somewhat plausible. The "stealth creature of the night" is much better represented in this movie than say, george clooney's prancing around gotham in a rubber suit.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

Uh, i don't think that it points toward a new movie with joker, but rather the original batman, in which Joker was the villian.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyways, Batman begins was hands down the best batman thus far. Great casting, beautiful plot unfolding, and finally a batman movie thats somewhat plausible. The "stealth creature of the night" is much better represented in this movie than say, george clooney's prancing around gotham in a rubber suit.

No its pointing to a whole new movie. The movie isn't related to the other ones, more than the fact it shares the characters' name (I wouldn't even say traits as many of the characters in this universe are potrayed completely different.)

[Crono]

I saw Batman Begins tonight. Great movie. Usually I fall asleep half way through most movies but this one kept me awake, I even held in a piss I had to take about 20 min into the movie, just so I wouldn't miss any significant part.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Just saw it, and it was great. Christopher Nolan definitely did his homework on The Batman and borrowed a lot from the right source: Frank Miller. Frank Miller is the master of The Batman with his seminole tales The Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One, in fact much of Batman Begins appears to be directly influenced by Year One.

Ok this has nothing to do with the movie, but eh it was mentioned. I honestly have never seen the appeal in The Dark Knight Returns. I just don't get it. As far as alternative futures goes, I would prefer the world of Batman Beyond.

Year One is good stuff.

But personally, I prefer Jeph Loeb as my Batman writer. Long Halloween. Dark Victory. Superman/Batman first few issues. Hush to a degree.

Back to the movie, Christian Bale did a great job, but he may have gone a little over the edge with the snarling even though I know thats what they were going for. Gary Oldman IS Commisoner Gordon. And even though they screwed with one of the greatest foes in Batman's history, Ra's Al Ghul, Liam Neison does a great job playing the dual roles of Ducard and Al Ghul.

I like the snarling to a degree. Like when he had Flass. But to me the voice was too inconstint (spelling?) sometimes it sounded like an animal, other times it sounded more human like and then there were times it just sounded like Bruce.

I thought they did well with Ra's. Especially eliminating his supernatural attributes at least for this movie (they weren't really needed in my book, maybe a sequel can look into it).

Oh yeah, and this is THE BEST Batmobile EVER. Hands down.

And yeah it was a pretty bad ass batmobile. Probably won't win any beauty contest.

[Jonbo298]

Good movie. No huge complaints.

I think the second one will hopefully see Bruce 'modifying' the Tumbler into the well-known batmobile and well, since they obviously setup the second movie with the 'lair' being the 'true' bat cave lair we all know from Batman, I think the second movie may usurp the first one since it seems like its gonna get into more of the meat of Batman. Joker, maybe the well known batmobile, well known lair, rebuild of house, etc...

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

maybe the well known batmobile

I'd prefer the Batmobile stay the same. I'd prefer not to have a complete redesign every movie like we did with the last three.

Anyway....

I just saw the movie, and loved it. Although I enjoyed it, the smaller role for the villains seemed really weird to me, after having grown up on the past four films. I prefer it, it just wasn't what I was used to.

I'm interested to see what they do with the second film. The Joker should be interesting in this new Batman universe..


/me shrugs and walks away

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

Ok this has nothing to do with the movie, but eh it was mentioned. I honestly have never seen the appeal in The Dark Knight Returns. I just don't get it. As far as alternative futures goes, I would prefer the world of Batman Beyond.

I loved TDKR, because I think no other book has gone so far into Batman's true reason for doing what he does. Its not vengeance or justice... its guilt. In TDKR Batman is guilty that he is still alive and his parents are dead, especially because he has outlived his parents. He feels guilt for having abandoned Gotham and Jim Gordon. He feels guilt over the death of Jason Todd.

A recurring theme throughout the book is that Batman is looking for a good way to die. Its not until the end that he finds a new purpose and reason to go on. Also, I think the symbiotic relationship between Batman and the Joker was examined beautifully, with the Joker sitting in Arkham waiting for Batman to resurface.

You also have to remember that stories like this for Batman were non-existant before Frank Miller re-invented what Batman could be and mean.

IMO, its brilliant and one of the truly important moments for comics as a artform along with The Watchmen and most recently Earth X.

[Vampyr]

I saw the movie today, and it is the best comic book movie I have ever seen, even better than Spider-Man and X-Men, which I thought were fantastic. This was the first, and only, good batman movie to date.

They fixed one of the things that I found most annoying in the old movies: his mobility. In the old batman movies his leather suit was so thick and tight that he could barely move with it on. He had a very small degree of freedom, and I didn't find it realistic that he could win a fight with it on.

Another thing that they fixed that really annoyed me was the toughness of Batman. In the old movies he had been fighting crime for years and had been through extensive combat training and had experiance, but then in the second one a woman came along, fell out a building and turned into Cat Woman for a day, and all of a sudden she was kicking his ass. He pretty much owned everyone in this movie.

Everything about the movie was done well. I liked the way they had Morgan Freeman explain how all the gadgets and gear worked, and I liked how they gave him the long bat-claws that he has in the comics. Not to mention he can glide!

And I agree that the Batmobile should stay exactly the same. I love how they explained his access to such weaponry through his companies military relations, and his stuff should keep that military feel...it makes it seem more down-to-earth and realistic. Lets face it: the original batmobile serves no tactical purpose.

And the snarling was fantastic, I thought. He was trying to create the image that he was a monster, and the snarling was integral to that. Someone mentioned the consistancy of his voice, but I think that that was done to symbolism "who" he was at the time. Sometimes he was the legendary bat-monster, but at other times, such as the scene with him and Rachel when he reveals his identity, he is being a human.

And the blurry and too-fast-to-follow action scenes were a little annoying, but I think that was done so you could see just how impossible it was to fight him. I actually said "I can't even keep up with him" during one of the fight scenes, so it's hard to imagine how scary that would have been for the criminals, and fear was the main thing he was going for.

The scarecrow was the best villian from any of the movies. I know who the scarecrow is, but I don't own any comics with him in it. Are there any comic novels that are stare the ScareCrow as the main villian? I can't keep up with buying a comic every month in a series, so I always just buy the collective novels.

The parts with the special effects involving the hallucagen (sp?) were personally my favorite parts of the movie. I couldn't stop grinning at the part where batman shot it into Crane's eyes and then he turned into a bat-monster.

The only part of the movie that dissapointed me was the level of involvement of the scarecrow...I really wanted to see another battle after Crane went full fledged insane and became the 100% scarecrow. Hopefully he will be in an upcoming film.


edit: I also liked The Dark Knight Returns. The opening passage depicting a bar with old super heroes gives me chills every time I read it. Although I admit my favorite part is when Batman beats the crap out of Superman...

[Joeiss]

Great movie! I just saw it with my dad at an IMAX screen. I really loved how Batman looked HUGE in his suit. He looked like a tank! Scarecrow was cool, too. I was a bit confused because I never heard of Liam Neeson's character before, since I never read any comics or anything, but I still enjoyed it very very much!

Can't wait for the next one with The Joker!

[Ginkasa]

There's going to be a sequel. Unfortunately, Rachel Dawes is being replaced by some other love interest. Not so much ticked at the loss of the character, but that we're apparentely going to be getting a new girl every single movie..

Batman Begins Sequel Chatter


/me shrugs and walks away

[Vampyr]

I saw her on the MTV movie awards, and she's giddy as a school girl because she's actually dating Tom Cruise. He's like the celebrities celebrity.