What's wrong with this world?

[Crash]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Whats wrong with the world? Hmm, thats a big question for an angry man like myself.

1) Causeheads - I will no longer insult liberals by including myopic, ignorant, self-hating, cause-thumping morons into the same category. Liberals, by the original definition, were pragmatists and not bleeding hearts. JFK was a liberal, and even he believed that cutting taxes did more good than harm. Causeheads, on the other hand, are simplistic and narrowminded activists who care more about the social aspects of "hating the man" than the actual effect of their outrage. It is a culture engulfed by negativity and criticism rather than action-plans and actually FIXING THE PROBLEM.

2) Green beans

3) The Cult of Relativism - There is a growing belief that there are no universal truths, but that the only truth we know is that which we experience. While it all sounds good, like most far-left views do at first glance, it falls apart with increased inspection. Essentially relativism is an excuse to tear down social moreys and and moral values. Its the whole belief that "you can't judge me until you've walked in my shoes" and its a bunch of crap. Its an ethos built around permissiveness and excuses.

"I'm poor, so I steal." - Screw you, go to jail. Its morally and legally wrong.

"I'm a nympho, so I sleep around." - Don't complain to me when you're pregnant or have AIDS.

"It's just videogames." - Don't be shocked when your 10 year old shoots someone after playing San Andreas for 15 hours straight because you use the media as a babysitter. Certainly don't blame the game for your inept parenting.

Taboos and societal values exist for a reason, and not just because the Pope said it was so. They exist to PROTECT SOCIETY. They protect our children from harmful experiences that they are not ready to handle, like extreme violence, sexuality and drugs. They protect everyone from VD and unwanted preganancy.

Now is every taboo to respected? No, I personally believe that homosexuals should be treated equally as all others, but I also realize the reason why it is believed that they shouldn't: Its hard to procreate by banging a guys in the butt. But I also believe that the value of each taboo should be examined individually, and most should be maintained.

I'll be back later this weekend to discuss this more, as I'm sure I've pissed one or more members off. I might not be back until Monday, though. Full weekend.

BEST POST EVER!

[ZebraRampage]

I think that EMO music is what's wrong with the world. Seriously, all of the people who contribute to it should be dead by now. They all sing about slitting their wrists, and committing suicide..it surprises me that they're still alive. I also can't stand how they sing as if they're holding their noses closed. Get a therapist or something..


I also showed my friend this topic, and he had something to say towards one of The Strangler's comments.

This comment:

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Whats wrong with the world? Hmm, thats a big question for an angry man like myself.

3) The Cult of Relativism - There is a growing belief that there are no universal truths, but that the only truth we know is that which we experience. While it all sounds good, like most far-left views do at first glance, it falls apart with increased inspection. Essentially relativism is an excuse to tear down social moreys and and moral values. Its the whole belief that "you can't judge me until you've walked in my shoes" and its a bunch of crap. Its an ethos built around permissiveness and excuses.

And what my friend had to say was...

Moral relativism isn't an excuse to do what you want, you idiot. Most people who are moral relativist still live within the moral confines of the society in which they live. Just because they don't believe that society is ABSOLUTELY F*CKING RIGHT ALL THE TIME doesn't mean they're about to go on an armed assault through Center City. Generally, the people who are smart enough to realize that there's no PROOF that any set of morals is right or wrong are also smart enough to realize that their lives would be better if they just followed the morals of their society at their time.

I did this for debate purposes.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by ZebraRampage

I think that EMO music is what's wrong with the world. Seriously, all of the people who contribute to it should be dead by now. They all sing about slitting their wrists, and committing suicide..it surprises me that they're still alive. I also can't stand how they sing as if they're holding their noses closed. Get a therapist or something..

Ha....hahaha.....ha, your funny. Die now.



What about Rap? I'm pretty sure after about 10 or so years of hearing about gangs, ho's, bitches, sluts, killing, money, drugs, drinking, stabbing, cheating on people, being a pimp, being a player, having lots of girlfriends, driving nice cars, degrading women, it would get old after a while.

And I dislike people like you. Not as a person, but in the sense of what you think about Emo music. Not ALL Emo music is about killing yourself. Just as not all rap is about the above things. Generalizing is fun when it has to do with something you dont like, isnt it?

Seriously, all of the people who contribute to it should be dead by now. They all sing about slitting their wrists, and committing suicide..it surprises me that they're still alive.

Geeze, good thing they realize its just music and that it has no effect at all on their physical well-being. And its also a good thing they know what their audience wants to hear. Damn them for being successful!

[Acebot44]

I listen to EMO dude, but sometimes it justs gets a bit to ehhh can you sing about something else? But, if I wanted to listen to something different I'd just listen to another genre. That's why EMO is there; to let people who want to hear that ish listen to it.

I'm pretty content with my own little world right now. Don't really hate anything at this moment, but I'll get back to ya'll when I do.

[Krypton]

I don't know about the world that I know is the one that I want it to be. When I turn it to the news, all you hear and watch about is shootings, kidnappings, drug deals gone bad, prostitution, car accidents, deaths, suicide and court cases.


That isn't my ideal world that I want to be living in, it seems too dirty and disgusting, why anyone would want to live here is clearly insane. Here in Michigan most of the **** that goes around here happens in Detroit, one of the worst cities in the nation if not the worst. Its just really bad. But sometimes the media can stretch things to make them worse, everyone involved with the media should be dead by now.

[Vampyr]

A lot of things aggravate me.

1. Buildings that are designed to look like a warehouse. I hate it when you walk into a store and you can look up all the way through the rafters to the rooft, and the floor is concrete, with no tiles.

2. I hate how the section of wal-mart where you buy condoms is called "Family Planning". That's bull crap.

3. I hate t-shirts. They are so damn uncomfortable, and they mess up my hair when I take them on and off, they never fit right, and I hate it when the necks get streched out too far. I love button up shirts, but I'd prefer if I never had to wear another shirt again.

4. People who act like your stupid because you don't believe the things they do, especially religion.

5. Hypocrits

6. People who refuse to listen to other people opinions, and won't even consider the option that they might be wrong.

7. I hate money. Yet I also love it, and I want a lot of it. I just hate the fact that our sole purpose in life seems to be to get jobs we will hate, to get money to buy things we don't really need. Yet I want to do that even though I hate the fact that I want to do it. Maybe I'm brainwashed.

8. I hate being mortal. I want to live forever.

9. I hate rap, country, and bluegrass. I'm not Christian, but I like gospel music, or gospel sounding music. Which is odd.

10. I hate the fact that we are all atached to our material possessians. Even I am, but I hate that I am.

[Canyarion]

Typhoid, I am a Witness of Jehovah.

Just to let you know, we didn't fight in WW2. We never fight in wars. We never fight.
And we don't believe in hell.

The reason we go door to door is to tell people about a hopeful future they don't know about. And because Jesus tells us to.
Once a guy from my class came to the conclusion that our religion is actually very nice.

We want to save people, not sell vacuum cleaners.

No offense taken by the way.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

Typhoid, I am a Witness of Jehovah.

Just to let you know, we didn't fight in WW2. We never fight in wars. We never fight.
And we don't believe in hell.

The reason we go door to door is to tell people about a hopeful future they don't know about. And because Jesus tells us to.
Once a guy from my class came to the conclusion that our religion is actually very nice.

We want to save people, not sell vacuum cleaners.

No offense taken by the way.

Good that no offense was taken.

But I wasnt saying that each seperate religion fights in wars. I as generalizing wars. And killings and things. Like the crusades were caused by religion. That was more of my point.


And....if I may....I need to question one thing...

The reason we go door to door is to tell people about a hopeful future they don't know about. And because Jesus tells us to.

Why does he only tell Jehovas to do this? Why not the other religions that "worship" him in one way or another?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by ZebraRampage

Moral relativism isn't an excuse to do what you want, you idiot.

Man, "your friend" is already building up tons of credibility points by insulting me from the beginning. He must be aces on the debate team.

Most people who are moral relativist still live within the moral confines of the society in which they live. Just because they don't believe that society is ABSOLUTELY F*CKING RIGHT ALL THE TIME doesn't mean they're about to go on an armed assault through Center City. Generally, the people who are smart enough to realize that there's no PROOF that any set of morals is right or wrong are also smart enough to realize that their lives would be better if they just followed the morals of their society at their time.

Um, did he actually READ MY POST? I remember saying that each taboo and societal value should be examined individually and those that have value should be maintained, and most have value, and the ones like homophobia should be repealed. Does that sound like I think "society is ABSOLUTELY F*CKING RIGHT ALL THE TIME"? I think not.

My problem with what I term as the Cult of Relativism is the use of relativism as a set of excuses and "get out of jail free" cards that give people rationalizations for unhealthy, if enjoyable, behavior. Now if "your friend" would like to debate me on my topic as I ACTUALLY PRESENTED IT, I would be more than happy to do so, but I do not appreciate him insulting me and then commenting on it without taking to time to understand my post.

I do have one major problem for his defence of relativism, though, and that is his assertion that most people view it like he does. For every person like "your friend" who sees relativism as a way to examine the human condition within common societal morals, there are 10 that use it to excuse immoral behavior. He claims it is the opposite, when just looking at the world around tells you that his claim is absurd. Little John released a song that detailed sweat dripping down his balls and then "skeet, skeet, skeet"ing all over his partner, and it has sold millions when it has all the artistic merit of a Penthouse letter. Gangster rap glorifying graphic violence and criminal behavior has been successful for years, while operating under the rationalization that these artists are "telling their story from the streets". Well we can now tell Dr. Dre and 50 Cent that after producing and performing on multi-platinum records that they are no longer in danger of getting shot or having to pull out their gat and pop a cap in someones ass while having 15 scantily clad booty shakers surrounding them.

"Artists" always claim that they are telling their story while whoring themselves to the media by painting pictures of the Virgin Mary with elephant dung or taking a picture of a man urinating into another man's mouth (these actually happened). They are not trying to create art, they are trying to get attention and cause a sensation... the same thing that the National Enquirer and Weekly World News do. Now the National Endowment for the Arts is dead because of such abuses and attempts at self-glorification.

For many years late-term abortions, named partial birth abortions, were legal because reletavists could not bring themselves to realize that while it is a woman's body, that body was also caring for a viable 8 month old infant.* To them, all that mattered was that the woman did not give borth so it was her her right to do what she wanted. How many children were euthanized because of this morbid ethos before it was finally abolished by a *shock* a moralist president? I wouldn't care to know, because I have a feeling it would put me in a state of dispair.

Now adherence to sensible morals would have kept such unhealthy things mentioned above from taking place, but they were ignored and explained away in a vast wave of rationalization by relativism to the point that they are tolerated and even accepted.

But the problem does not lie within the producers of this kind of trash, it is the public that tolerates and accepts it. The more that relativists can attack and degrade taboos that help us as a society, the farther and farther those that would profit from their efforts will go. The more that selfish people will harm themselves and others because they are lazy and/or shiftless. The more people will not be held responsible for their actions and will continue to feel that they are owed unlimited "do overs".

And so the envelop will foever be pushed, regardless of what will to society when it finally bursts.


*For the record I am not anti-abortion, but I also don't feel that infants should be aborted in the 3rd trimester. Wanted or unwanted, that is still a viable human life at that point of the pregnancy.

[MasterMind]

I hate pro athletes who complain about their multi-million dollar contracts.

[ZebraRampage]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Ha....hahaha.....ha, your funny. Die now.



What about Rap? I'm pretty sure after about 10 or so years of hearing about gangs, ho's, bitches, sluts, killing, money, drugs, drinking, stabbing, cheating on people, being a pimp, being a player, having lots of girlfriends, driving nice cars, degrading women, it would get old after a while.

And I dislike people like you. Not as a person, but in the sense of what you think about Emo music. Not ALL Emo music is about killing yourself. Just as not all rap is about the above things. Generalizing is fun when it has to do with something you dont like, isnt it?



Geeze, good thing they realize its just music and that it has no effect at all on their physical well-being. And its also a good thing they know what their audience wants to hear. Damn them for being successful!

It's just not my type of music, and I don't like Rap either. I don't really believe that all people are like the stereotype that I just spoke of, I was really just joking a bit. I just wanted to put something in that some people woule find amusing, because of how obscene it was. I'm sorry for offending you.

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Good that no offense was taken.
But I wasnt saying that each seperate religion fights in wars. I as generalizing wars. And killings and things. Like the crusades were caused by religion. That was more of my point.
And....if I may....I need to question one thing...

Why does he only tell Jehovas to do this? Why not the other religions that "worship" him in one way or another?

Well he tells everybody to do so, read Mathew 28:18-20 and Mathew 24:14.
It seems that we're pretty much the only ones that listen.

I agree with you that religion causes much trouble. But I believe in 1 'true' religion. But that's a totally other discussion. I just hope that you see that we're not that bad at all.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

Well he tells everybody to do so, read Mathew 28:18-20 and Mathew 24:14.
It seems that we're pretty much the only ones that listen.

Or other Christian denominations simply interpret the passage(s) differently than you do. Whichever you want to spin it really...

[Dylflon]

On the topic of religion: I don't subscribe to a particular religion.

I am a deist meaning I believe in God but don't know quite who or what He/She/It is.


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I really don't like people who calls Americans "Un-American" for insulting their president. In reality, people who gripe about the government are better Americans than those who see problems and say nothing.

I also hate censorship. Now, I don't mean that there should be hardcore sex and foul language on prime time TV. I mean that people should be able to speak their minds without fear of being pulled off the air. Censorship of criticism against the government is a trademark of totalistarian regimes (i.e. fascist and communist countres).

I hate the Guantanamo Bay situation. Those are shady dealings. Sending people to prison without trials? The Purges that happened under Stalin in Russia come to mind when I think about this.

Also, I hate biggots.

[BlueFire]

I hate political and religious debates/discussions/arguements. They never get anywhere because both sides are stubborn and always believe their word is the truth. Haaaaha....