End of the world couldn't come soon enough

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Kitana85

And that's why it's called faith... if it was easily (or possibly) rationalised faith would not be needed -- unless you are a follower of Thomas Aquinis in which case it is possible to follow the whole thing with reason... but thats why more poeple tend to follow other Christian thinkers- Aquinian ideas tend not to work.

I'm not just saying it's unrational. I mean it is: a big all powerful spirit guy living in the "heavens" who has angels that fly with wings and halo's, and he had a human son who healed the blind and returned from the death, all that is very irrational, but like you said, that's what faith is for.

I'm speaking of the hypocrisy of christianity. It constantly contradicts itself.

[edit] Canyarion, I believe discussing religion on the internet is fun, but arguing about it is useless. I think that's probably what you meant anyway, but I just wanted to state that because I'm not trying to argue with anyone.

[Canyarion]

Ok ok can't resist.

Vampyr, you think Jesus was only a human? Didn't you know that he was his first-born son, the only thing he created himself? The rest of the creation was done through Jesus.

He went to earth to sacrifice his perfect life so people wouldn't have to bring animal sacrifeces anymore. And he gave some adjusted laws.

In the future (and I believe it's near) Jesus will bring peace on earth and restore eternal life, as it was meant (Adam and Eve).

I don't know of any contradictions.

You have to remind that the old testament and the new one are seperate things, for different times. First the jews were immediately punished when they made a big sin. Eye for an eye....
Because people changed, this law didn't work anymore, so Jesus brought a new law, to forgive. 2 seperate things that seem to contradict eachother. But they don't. Stuff like that.

[Neo]

Heh none of that makes sense.

I also find it interesting that none of the secular writers of the time mention Jesus. Supposedly large groups of people followed him around as he performed his miracles yet none of the record keepers saw fit to even mention him. The writers who do mention him weren't born until a decade after his supposed crucifixion.

In the future (and I believe it's near) Jesus will bring peace on earth and restore eternal life, as it was meant (Adam and Eve).

I hope you're right but I think you're going to be waiting for a LONG time.

[Canyarion]

Hm, perhaps because Jesus was killed like a criminal? Christianity was illegal, people were afraid to write about it.

And Mathew, Joan and Marc all knew Jesus. Only Luke lived/wrote after Jesus died.

I KNOW I'll get tired of this discussion really fast.