Global Warming is Confirmed

[Blackmane]

The benefits of retrofitting peoples lives into low-emission cars is not efficient enough to the enviroment to warant all this money being thrown at the idea. Making these cars is more costly, uses more energy to make, and pollutes water in the making of these vehicles.

Frankly, newer cars are already doing better with the natural progression of catalytic converters and more efficient motor designs. I don't see what the big hub-bub is to get even lower emission cars that maybe emit a small amount less emissions.

Pouring out smoke? Thats why there are smog checks. I don't want huge clunkers on the road, but you gotta draw the line sooner or later. I'm just drawing it here.

See, I don't want to have a car that is an obvious polluter. I drive a 91 Honda, which does very good on mileage and emissions, before there was this huge uproar about emissions and global warming and everything (at least not as bad as today.) Why did we have to go further than that and force out technology into cars that is not cost-efficient?

Of course cars are contributors of CO2 emissions, but people act like that is the primary reason, which automatically points the finger at us for everything, when other nations have a constant haze of fog over there urban areas (China). Thats one of the main reasons that I'm glad we didn't sign the Kyoto Treaty, because it didn't hold everyone accountable, especially China.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

Of course cars are contributors of CO2 emissions, but people act like that is the primary reason, which automatically points the finger at us for everything, when other nations have a constant haze of fog over there urban areas (China). Thats one of the main reasons that I'm glad we didn't sign the Kyoto Treaty, because it didn't hold everyone accountable, especially China.

Ok, so if Cows, and Rice fields cause more CO2, why is it since the Industrial Revolution (The past 200-300 years) more damage has been done to the earth, and the earth's ozone than the rest of existance on this planet?

Other areas have a constant haze of Fog? Oh....you must mean like New York, and California, and Florida.

Thos dont seem to be in China..

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Ok, so if Cows, and Rice fields cause more CO2, why is it since the Industrial Revolution (The past 200-300 years) more damage has been done to the earth, and the earth's ozone than the rest of existance on this planet?

Other areas have a constant haze of Fog? Oh....you must mean like New York, and California, and Florida.

Thos dont seem to be in China..

Well, I suppose cows don't release the other hundreds (or thousands) of dangerous chemicals that we are currently emitting into the atmosphere.

For the record, my city produces more sulfur pollution than any other in the world.

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Ok, so if Cows, and Rice fields cause more CO2, why is it since the Industrial Revolution (The past 200-300 years) more damage has been done to the earth, and the earth's ozone than the rest of existance on this planet?

Other areas have a constant haze of Fog? Oh....you must mean like New York, and California, and Florida.

Thos dont seem to be in China..

Yea, that looks like New York, or even Los Angelas. Right...

I hope I'm getting across an important fact that many people don't realize and that is: We are a very clean nation already considering how much energy we need. That is because Americans in general are responcible and want to live in a fairly clean enviroment. We don't pollute in excess.

And why is the ozone holes not above the places with the most pollution, but is above Antartica? That doesn't seem like that should be right, if CO2 emissions from us humans is really to blaim.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

And why is the ozone holes not above the places with the most pollution, but is above Antartica? That doesn't seem like that should be right, if CO2 emissions from us humans is really to blaim.

Dont even try argue this.

Im in Geology, and Geography.

The hole is up there not from cows or rice, its because of the wind patterns, and where it all accumulates.

It all accumulates at the poles, because thats the way it is directed to go.


And face it, in the past 200 years, We as people, have affected the earth, and the earth's ozone, than Earth has been affected over all of its 4 billion years.

Im sure cows and rice have been around for more than 200 years. And im sure there are Cows and Rice in places other than China.

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Dont even try argue this.

Im in Geology, and Geography.

The hole is up there not from cows or rice, its because of the wind patterns, and where it all accumulates.

It all accumulates at the poles, because thats the way it is directed to go.


And face it, in the past 200 years, We as people, have affected the earth, and the earth's ozone, than Earth has been affected over all of its 4 billion years.

Im sure cows and rice have been around for more than 200 years. And im sure there are Cows and Rice in places other than China.

Oh gee, my bad. In that case, I won't argue it. I'm sure your Geography teacher knows for a fact how the Earth works and knows for a fact that we are the sole reasons for global warming.

I'll keep my mouth shut then, because you obviously have it figured out.

You want to throw around facts? I went to an engineering presentation where a study was taken with temperatures taken around the world for some 50 years and then averaged together for a mean temperature of the earth at those times. The graph showed steady variations in temperatures, up AND down, over the whole time. There was no steady increase that global warming nuts are talking about.

But, I'm sure that that was just a lie or fabricated...

And, like I have said, I'm not suggesting we just pollute indescriminetely, but I think forced measures like the Kyoto treaty, which don't hold really big polluters like China accountable (which, besides what I have already said, also burns a lot of coal now), is not the right way to go. People, in general, want where they live to be clean, so if everyone took responcibility for their own lives, then I feel that is being responcible.

It is my feeling that we as humans are so insignificant to the earth that we cannot harm it. It can take care of itself. Does anyone think it slightly ridiculous that something as powerful as the Earth that has lasted for 4 billion years can all of a sudden be killed by 200 measly years of meddling by humans? I think not.

[Dylflon]

Global warming rather frightens me.

I think we all need to make an effort to stop polluting. Don't think just because you're one person you can't make a difference. If everyone thinks like that, nothing gets done.

I recycle and don't drive. I'm doing my part. I hope all of you do yours.

(not that I'm saying don't drive)

[Canyarion]

The point is that humans burn fossil fuels and thereby input CO2 into the atmosphere. Cows and ricefields ( ) only recycle it.

Wood is a 'clean' fuel, because trees absorb CO2 from the air and put it in the wood (sorry, dunno the proper English terms) which we burn again. So it's a closed cycle.