IGN wants Zelda murdered in Revolution Zelda Game

[DarkMaster]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

The Legend of Zelda needs to remain the same. Giving this classic story a dark chapter will just result in a flop similar to Prince of Persia 2. It is not in character for Link to be 'dark' or to have an angry edge. That's not who he is. As a child, he is optimistic and righteous. As an adult he bears the same qualities only he is less playful and more serious. If someone who he cares for deeply were to be murdered or something along those lines, Link would not become a jaded rogue only set to seek revenge like Prince of Persia or Anakin Skywalker. That only happens to people who are weak at mind or heart. And Link is not for your information. Therefore, he would mourn for a period of time and after that continue to be heroic and do what is right. Sorry for you all evil fans who like to see good guys become bad. Not going to happen in this story.

Did you even read my post? I talked about all that crap, and how it could be avoided and still get a more mature Zelda game.

And let me clarify this again. When I say mature, I in no one mean darker, grittier, more evil, or anything else relating to those. You don't have to be a foul mouthed, blood thirsty villian to be mature. Try to think of something like LotR. It's epic, it is more mature, but it's still a very fantasy heavy story. It is in no way a PoP2, that is a big example of how to do maturity wrong.

Come on people, don't be afraid of new things. Miyamoto is an artist, and if you want him to do the same damn thing everytime, I suggest you find a new video game creator to idolize.

[GameMaster]

Originally Posted by Dyne

Miyamoto officially says in each game it's a different Link.

Obviously, some are the same. Like between Zelda 1 and 2, or between Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.

They must be the same Link from different dimensions then because otherwise it would just be weird having different Links. It'd be like having a different Mario in certain Mario games.

Originally Posted by DarkMaster

Did you even read my post? I talked about all that crap, and how it could be avoided and still get a more mature Zelda game.

And let me clarify this again. When I say mature, I in no one mean darker, grittier, more evil, or anything else relating to those. You don't have to be a foul mouthed, blood thirsty villian to be mature. Try to think of something like LotR. It's epic, it is more mature, but it's still a very fantasy heavy story. It is in no way a PoP2, that is a big example of how to do maturity wrong.

Come on people, don't be afraid of new things. Miyamoto is an artist, and if you want him to do the same damn thing everytime, I suggest you find a new video game creator to idolize.

Yeah I understand what you're saying I just think mature is the wrong word for what you're describing. Because Return of the King wasn't more 'mature' then the others. It was darker. And I think what you and I are saying is that the Legend of Zelda story can be given a dark chapter. The darkness would just have to be input into the plot rather than the character for it to work.

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

They must be the same Link from different dimensions then because otherwise it would just be weird having different Links. It'd be like having a different Mario in certain Mario games.

Haven't you played Wind Waker? Just the intro makes it clear that it's different Links.

[KillerGremlin]

I always wanted a Link's Bad Fur Day......but that'll never happen.

*Link drinks beer

"Burp. Zelda, biatch, get yo ass over here for some t-fing."

Yeah......okay, that'll never happen. But maybe a Mario's bad spaghetti day or something. The fact that the new Zelda game in the works is 3D is promising enough for me.

[Swan]

That would be interesting to see Link banging a hooker in a stolen car. Except it would have to be a wench on a stolen horse.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

A gritty look here, a plot twist there and a couple of cutscene's could add a lot to an already great franchise.

Sure, it would add a lot... of stuff that is unneeded. I know that you enjoy a good cinematic plot in your video games; you've said as much yourself. There's nothing wrong with that. A good story with a nice presentation can go a long way. However, it is not always necessary, and Zelda is an example where it is not.

Zelda has made a name for itself as a pure video gaming experience. The gameplay is simple enough that a young child can have fun with it, but, usually, challenging enough to entertain the most seasoned veteran. The plot is a perfect example of a good vs. evil fairy tale perfectly fit for bedtime storytelling.

The Legend of Zelda is the epitome of mythical stories that entertain and enlighten without having to have a plot twist or big revelation every scene change. Link is the quintessential hero; there is danger to the land and he goes out to slay it. Ganon is classical villain that endangers all that is good and holy.

There is nothing wrong with this. Zelda does not need to be Link's brother. Ganon does not have to be Link's father. Link does not have to be the actual villain with amnesia. These things would only dilute the purity of LoZ's basic story.

I think that with The Wind Waker, the Zelda series has become as complex plot wise as it should be. That has a pretty nice plot twist, and if you tihnk about it, the story itself is pretty depressing.

And if you're simply tired with "save the princess," why? There has not been a single game since A Link to the Past that completely focused on saving Zelda. LA had nothing to do with Zelda. OoT didn't have the princess kidnapped until the very end. MM didn't have her except for a cameo. The Oracle games also revolved very little on saving Zelda (although you did have to save the oracles...). TWW had Zelda actuly helping Link fight Ganon; no damsel in distress there. It doesn't seem like The Minish Cap focuses on it. I haven't played the Four Swords games, and nobody knows about the new GCN Zelda...

I just don't see any reason for the Zelda series to change plotwise. Not at the moment anyway.

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On a side note... GameMaster: There are multiple Links. How many, exactly, depends on your points of view, but there is absolutely no way there can be just one. Same with Zelda.

Get over it.


*shrugs and walks away*

[DarkMaster]

Yeah, there doesn't NEED to be anything drastically new. But it wouldn't hurt to try, and I think that was the whole point of the discussion. Not like I wouldn't be happy one way or another, I'm not sick and tired of the Zelda games plotwise.

But you have to think about it. The original Zelda game was the first game to ever incorporate an actual storyline into video games. Its the foundation upon which story driven games started. Being the grandfather of video game storytelling, I would think that some 25 or so years later, it should try to mix things up a bit. And why not?

[GameMaster]

Originally Posted by Nitram

Haven't you played Wind Waker? Just the intro makes it clear that it's different Links.

Link from Wind Waker is the same Link. Just a different dimension. Dimensions allow for one person to exist under several different circumstances and lifestyles. In another dimension, you live on an island with your grandmother and sister also. It's nothing shocking. It's something we all have to live with.

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

Link from Wind Waker is the same Link. Just a different dimension. Dimensions allow for one person to exist under several different circumstances and lifestyles. In another dimension, you live on an island with your grandmother and sister also. It's nothing shocking. It's something we all have to live with.

So, how come there's no Link in Termina? Or the Oracle worlds? Those are both different dimensions.

The "Legend" cannot be passed on between dimensions. If dimensions did exist, they'd all be different. And it's obvious the story intro to Wind Waker is alluding the Zeldas before. Different dimensions? No? Different Links? Yes.

[GameMaster]

Am I the only one botherd by it? Doesn't anyone else feel let down or frustrated that each game you play is starring someone completley unrelated to the previous adventure? Wouldn't you like to hear Link or another character make reference to a past journey in one of his newer games? What fun is it starting a new adventure when you know the Link hasn't been a part of the old ones?

[Canyarion]

You're not alone GM. I hate the feeling that those are different Links and Zeldas.

Anyway, I hope this game takes places in Hyrule. I like DHs idea. Some kind of war. There should be some action outside Links quest.

Link having revenge sounds too much like PoP2, where the Prince has turned into a huge bastard.
Link needs to fight for the good in this world.

[DimHalo]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

Am I the only one botherd by it? Doesn't anyone else feel let down or frustrated that each game you play is starring someone completley unrelated to the previous adventure? Wouldn't you like to hear Link or another character make reference to a past journey in one of his newer games? What fun is it starting a new adventure when you know the Link hasn't been a part of the old ones?

AH ha, so you're just bitter ...

I agree though, I would like to see some reference to past games in the newer Zelda games. (Especially links to A Link to the Past)

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I'll attempt.

You always do attempt.

So what can they change to a game based on Saving a Princess? Kill the Princess? Yes...thats a sure fire way to make sure you have future games.

Did I say they should kill the Princess? Please point out where I said that. Oh thats right, I didn't. I said they should maybe take the series in a darker path for at least one game. Thanks for reading.

Zelda games work. Bitch all you want about it not being a good game, about any game being a good game. But how many have they made? Alot? So that means it has to be partially successfull correct?

Did I say I didn't like the Zelda series? Please point out where I said that. Oh thats right, I didn't. In fact I believe I said I LOVED Windwaker and even call the franchise "great". Thanks for reading.

I love Zelda games. I've loved EVERY Zelda game ever made. They are all awesome. OoT was my favourite, I will admit, and I have beaten it a whopping 30 times.

I love Chef Boyardee Beef Ravioli. I've loved EVERY can I've ever eaten. That doesn't mean that every once in a while I wouldn't like an Overstuffed or *shock* maybe even a Spaghetti-O every once in a while. Variety is good, even in the Chef Boyardee franchise.

I dont see the big deal about not changing the basic storyline.

Its not the same game.

Its not a sequal.

In fact, Im pretty sure in every game, it has NOTHING to do with any of the other ones.

(This section is for Link 1130 also)To me the lack of variety is a problem. Nintendo already has its loyal Zelda fans who will buy the game no matter what. There are also a lot of former Nintendophiles, such as myself, who once worshipped at the alter of their 8-bit box who have become disenfranchised by Nintendo not taking any chances with their most beloved franchises. A darker Link and Zelda game, which thankfully it looks like their attempting to do, would do a lot to pique our interest again.

[/quote]If you dont like it, fine, dont complain. Will the creators magically wonder what the people on GT are saying about hteir game? No. If you dont like it, there is one simple step: Don't buy it. Than we all win.[/quote]

This is a FORUM. That means that opinions that don't agree with you are welcome. Try and absorb that little fact sometime

Im not trying to be funny here or anything...but did I miss the part in any review for Zelda where they said their arnt any plot twists, where it said the game isnt dark, and where it said his face has no emotion?

I wasn't responding to the article, as I mentioned before, I responded to member's reactions to that article and how so many Nintendo fans seem unwilling to accept any serious story changes in the Holy Trinity of Nintendo (Mario, Zelda and Metroid). You may disagree with me on the stubborness that I see, but thats your right to do so.

Every Zelda game has some sort of little tiny twist, no matter how miniscule it is...so there goes point numero uno.

Which revolves around Ganon kidnapping Zelda... nice try.

And they have the capability to do the emotion on the face, I dont know if they will or not, so point 3, undoubtedly remains in tact.

Typhoid, please try and recognize hyperbole. I was exagerrating to make a point. Even in Windwaker Link made an angry face when attacking someone. My point was that for a series that is violence based it always has a happy-go-lucky feel about it even when you're slicing up the enemy. This new darker Zelda might be a nice change.

But bottom line, Every Zelda game is different. Every one. Sure the basis is the same, Kill Gannon(dorf) and save Zelda. But you let Mario of of the hook, so why cant you let Link off huh? Right...because he isnt a plumber.

What the hell are you talking about? My whole point is that the story doesn't change even when the gameplay does change. I even explicitly said this when I talked about Metroid. Did you read my post or just skim it once you saw "The Strangler" wrote it and then started writing?

And lets compare Mario and Zelda ok?

Mario
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-Plumber
-Save Princess


Link
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-Whatever he is in that game...
-Save Princess


Oh, whats this? The basis of the game is the same!!?!?!

*Shock*

My point here was that there are more opportunities to change Zelda since in its heart it is a fantasy game based on sword and sorcery. Theres a lot that can be done with this.

Meanwhile Mario is a plumber who gets sucked down the drain into a world ruled by turtles who captured a princess. That really doesn't give you much room to work with, now does it? They tried once, and it led to a really bad movie. I wouldn't want to put anyone through that again.

[Neo]

You know the chicken guy from OoT who gives you the bottle? I would very much like it if Link ran him through with his sword and then stuffed a chicken beak up his pee hole.

And Typhoid, that's like the coolest avatar ever.

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by Dyne

So, how come there's no Link in Termina? Or the Oracle worlds? Those are both different dimensions.

The "Legend" cannot be passed on between dimensions. If dimensions did exist, they'd all be different. And it's obvious the story intro to Wind Waker is alluding the Zeldas before. Different dimensions? No? Different Links? Yes.

Well, at least it isn't like Final Fantasy, where the only relationship between the titles is a moogles, chocobos, similar enemies, and "Cid." Storywise, anyhow.