Bonds used steriods

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

There is more scientifical evidence at the moment that suggests performance enhancing drugs do not enhance a player's ability to hit the ball.

so?

Barry Bonds is a great baseball player. He's been able to hit the ball his entire life. Everyone knows that.

Over the past few years, he's been able to mis-hit the ball and have it fly 400 feet into the cove. OHHH!!!! That's where the 'performance enhancing drugs' kick in...

If one of us were to take the drugs, it wouldnt help our game much. We still wouldnt be able to hit a 95 mph fastball...but it certainly helps the guys who CAN connect.

[Blackmane]

According to the article, the trainer told Barry that the steroids were something to help him perform better. So, why should he have questioned the fact that he was performing better? He could have just thought that it was doing it's job.

Has Barry been tested before for drug use?

[jeepnut]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

According to the article, the trainer told Barry that the steroids were something to help him perform better. So, why should he have questioned the fact that he was performing better? He could have just thought that it was doing it's job.

Has Barry been tested before for drug use?

If I remember correctly, testing is not required by MLB.

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by jeepnut

If I remember correctly, testing is not required by MLB.

Incorrect. MLB holds "random" drug tests. However, the randomness is hardly random at all, usually the tests are done during the preseason and the preseason only. But, I think Bonds tested negative on a test during September one year, but I forget.

[jeepnut]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

Incorrect. MLB holds "random" drug tests. However, the randomness is hardly random at all, usually the tests are done during the preseason and the preseason only. But, I think Bonds tested negative on a test during September one year, but I forget.

Well, there you have it then. Never underestimate the power of false information to draw out the truth!

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

Incorrect. MLB holds "random" drug tests. However, the randomness is hardly random at all, usually the tests are done during the preseason and the preseason only. But, I think Bonds tested negative on a test during September one year, but I forget.

Correct, althogh you failed to mention that MLB just started doing this testing for the 2003 season I believe. They didnt test at all before that.

[KillerGremlin]

I think it will be more interesting to see how the news of steroid use affects the playing of Bonds and Giambi.

After Sosa's corked-bat "incident" happened, he lost all ability to hit anything but air.

[GameKinG]

Well, I have never liked Bonds, but he doesn't to have a footnote placed by his record. Even Babe used a cork bat sometimes.

Then again, corked bats might not have been against the rules back then. Im not sure.

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Correct, althogh you failed to mention that MLB just started doing this testing for the 2003 season I believe. They didnt test at all before that.

My bad, thanks for the info. I was unaware of that. However, in Bond's testimony, I believe he said he took the clear cream in either 2002 or 2003, so the test should have cought it anyways.

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

I think it will be more interesting to see how the news of steroid use affects the playing of Bonds and Giambi.

After Sosa's corked-bat "incident" happened, he lost all ability to hit anything but air.

The effects from the steroids on Giambi will definitely be seen. Why? Because he is now sick. You cannot play well when you are sick. Also, when Giambi was indicted, he lost 20-30 pounds. When Bonds was indicted, his weight stayed the same. I think this shows that Giambi is definitely more guilty than Bonds, if Bonds is even guilty at all.

Originally Posted by GameKinG

Well, I have never liked Bonds, but he doesn't to have a footnote placed by his record. Even Babe used a cork bat sometimes.

Then again, corked bats might not have been against the rules back then. Im not sure.

Back in the day, the balls were also corked. I believe it was refered to as "juiced" balls.

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

so?

Barry Bonds is a great baseball player. He's been able to hit the ball his entire life. Everyone knows that.

Over the past few years, he's been able to mis-hit the ball and have it fly 400 feet into the cove. OHHH!!!! That's where the 'performance enhancing drugs' kick in...

If one of us were to take the drugs, it wouldnt help our game much. We still wouldnt be able to hit a 95 mph fastball...but it certainly helps the guys who CAN connect.

Stu, steroids still won't have any effect on connecting with the ball, however; there is an advantage.

In a recent interview with ESPN.com, Hank Aaron describes the added advantage of recooperating, which steroids brings to those who use it.

From ESPN.com:

"The only person who can do that is the good Lord. But, at that age [40], you have to ask: Did he accomplish all of this by rejuvenating his strength from day to day with those substances? I know that when you reach a certain age, you just don't bounce back as quickly as you think you can when you're playing all of those games.


"Drugs won't help you hit the ball. But can they make you recuperate consistently enough to hit the kind of home runs that these guys are hitting?"


Aaron paused, sighed and added, "Let me say this. Any way you look at it, it's wrong."

So as you can see, steroids do nothing for hitting the ball, which I know that you know Stu, but I don't think many others realize this fact. But you are right that it brings an advantage, Stu. Bonds, if proven guilty, had the power of advanced recuperation on his side.

[GameKinG]

I heard this stat on the news earlier.

It was something like...before 2000, barry never hit a homer longer than 450 feet. Since then, he has hit 21 homers longer than that.