Xbox 2 will run the tables

Crono · 11-22-2004, 06:47 PM

I think you have a good point Neo. Xbox Live has been and will be a determining factor for people buying Xbox's, and I'm positive that it will carry on to the next generation. As for Nintendo, they should really just forget a new console and become a third party developer.

Ginkasa · 11-22-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

As for Nintendo, they should really just forget a new console and become a third party developer.

When hell freezes over and angels have streaking parties down on Earth. While I'm sure Nintendo would like to be leading both Sony and Microsoft, its hardly a requirement for them to stay in the console business.

I would actually think it more likely for Nintendo to become kind of more like a "toy" company and have their consoles and games much cheaper (and perhaps less sophisticated technologically), and focus entirely on their first party titles. Any game released by third parties would have to approved directly by Nintendo (like how they ran things in the NES days).

Nintendo has said several times how the day they leave the console business is the day they leave the video game business, and I just can't see them ever doing that permanently. Not anytime soon, anyway. Even if they become just "that small company with the little known company that makes some quirky games," Nintendo will always be around in the video game industry.

I think.

*shrugs and walks away*

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Good point about the 56k. I suppose if you are in fact a broadband gamer you would rather have a system which doesn't allow people to dial in. Current news says Xbox 2 is coming out before PS3, right?

I doubt XBox 2 coming out first will help them all that much. Remember, both the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast were rushed out of the gates, and both pretty much failed miserably.

Sure, the XBox has been very sucessful, but so was the Genesis before the Saturn (although all those funky peripherals probably didn't help Sega much).

*shrugs and walks away again*

DarkMaster · 11-22-2004, 07:18 PM

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Nintendo has said several times how the day they leave the console business is the day they leave the video game business, and I just can't see them ever doing that permanently. Not anytime soon, anyway. Even if they become just "that small company with the little known company that makes some quirky games," Nintendo will always be around in the video game industry.

Shinji Makami also said that RE4 would never be available on any other system besides the GCN or he'd cut off his head. Nothing is ever impossible in this industry. How many people thought the Square Enix merger would never happen? It happened. And how many people thought that Sony would never dethrone Nintendo in the console market? It happened. Just because Nintendo says they'll never go to third party, doesn't mean it won't happen. If they ever decided to simply go out of business because they weren't making anymore profit in the console market, they'd be the stupidest god damn company to ever exist.

The Revolution better be one hell of a REVOLUTION, cause the same old tried and true formula of continually relying on Mario and Zelda franchises is not going to cut it anymore. But for Sony and Microsoft, they merely have to release a new console with great new graphics and some cool features in order to be successful. Nobody expects a revolution from them, nor do they need one. The pressure is on Nintendo next gen, and if you ask me, it's do or die for them this time.

Jonbo298 · 11-22-2004, 08:00 PM

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Shinji Makami also said that RE4 would never be available on any other system besides the GCN or he'd cut off his head.

To add to it for the ill-informed, when the PS2 port starts, alot of the GCN developers won't be around at Capcom because it wasn't their decision. Capcom and its shareholders FORCED them to make a PS2 port, thus angering alot of the makers of RE4 thus they are leaving Capcom after the GCN version is done.

But as for next gen. I don't care who's on top. 3 companies can survive. If Nintendo bow's out of the video game business, I will also because all there ever is today is blood and violence in games. When's the last time I could sit down and enjoy a game without either hurting someone or shooting them to death?

I don't like the direction of the console market. Sony wants their things to be all in one devices that costs a sh*t ton of money to make and Microsoft wants an all in one PC that costs a sh*t ton to make. I want to play games. Not watch DVD's or do my reports on my VIDEO GAME CONSOLE. Give me a console stripped of all features except playing games only and I'll buy it.

I hope Nintendo doesn't start going that route. I hate paying more then $200 for a console just because they throw in stuff I don't want. I want to play games. Sony doesn't know its console gamers neither does MS. Give your flaming opinion to me, I know its coming. Hell, lately companies rather listen to its Shareholders then the people who buy the things.

Null · 11-22-2004, 08:07 PM

3 consoles can survive 1 gen, maybe 2. but the same 3 cant continue to service generation after generation. the lowest one would just continue to lose people to one of the top 2.

And sony has added nothing to any console of thiers that adds money to the cost. and you dont even know what the PS3 will have. likewise neither has MS added any unnessisary things that add cost.

if your talking about playing DVD movies, that didnt add anything to the price, and they'd of been moronic not to enclude the DVD players. they already had the DVD drives. to play movies was just a simple little program.

And if all your ever seeing in video games is blood and voilence, i suggest you really open your eyes and look past nintendo. because i have no problem finding such games on ANY platform. only difference is maybe on the other platforms they're harder to find because of the larger libraries

DarkMaster · 11-22-2004, 08:19 PM

Labelling Microsoft and Sony games as nothing but blood and violence is the same as calling Nintendo kiddy. Each console has its fair share of every type of game, and anyone who buys games JUST because of blood and violence is a dumb jackass who we shouldn't even care about.

And by the way, Makami and his team aren't leaving Capcom. They considered joining a subsidary company called Clover Studios, which is still owned and funded by Capcom. They would have a bit more freedom, but nothing drastic. And Makami has stated that he and his team are not angry, they realize it was a business decision and a wise one at that to port RE4, that's just life.

Joeiss · 11-22-2004, 08:19 PM

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I hope Nintendo doesn't start going that route. I hate paying more then $200 for a console just because they throw in stuff I don't want. I want to play games. Sony doesn't know its console gamers neither does MS. Give your flaming opinion to me, I know its coming. Hell, lately companies rather listen to its Shareholders then the people who buy the things.

They throw stuff in there that you don't want? Well guess what, the rest of the buyers want it, and if they didn't, then Nintendo would be leading this generation, wouldn't they? Companies cannot adjust to fit a single person's need, Jobo.

Jonbo298 · 11-22-2004, 08:49 PM

I know they can't conform to everyone's needs. If next gen consoles are filled with junk, I won't be buying anything. I don't care who's it is. If Nintendo decides to follow Sony and MS and cram things into it, then I personally won't be buying anything. If it adds to games but doesn't make the price go high (ie: built in HD and ethernet port) then I may consider them if it doesn't cause hte price to jump high.

DarkMaster · 11-22-2004, 08:57 PM

You know, you really shouldn't be blaming Sony and Microsoft for adding more stuff to their products. People buy it, they make more money, that's how it works. If you want to blame someone, blame the gamers who mindlessly go out and drop tons of cash on anything new and popular. Sony and Mircosoft are just preforming smart business.

It's like democracy, biggest flaw is that the majority of people are stupid.

TheGame · 11-22-2004, 08:55 PM

I can't say with confidence that Xbox 2 will be much competition to Ps3 next gen, but I can say with confidence that Nintendo is doomed. Gamecube was so full of false hope and promises that no matter what they say about their next console I can imagine it ending up being crap. Maybe that's just me.