GameTavern's Election '04 Coverage

jeepnut · 11-04-2004, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I was hoping for a Kerry win but I'm gonna deal with 4 more years of job loss and Bush even taking our deficit deeper for stupid ass reasons. It's becoming hell in the Government because now Republicans control/have a majority in the Senate, Congress, and the White House. Kind of eery/scary.

But as for people against gay marriage. They can go to hell and burn for all I care. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us. I call this issue the new form of racism. It's not by definition racism but I look at it as that. Who gives a **** about moral issues on this. They should have the same rights as everyone else. Attempt to disagree with me and I'll be back in this thread, rest assuredly.

*disagrees*

What can I say? I'm curious.

Jonbo298 · 11-04-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepnut

*disagrees*

What can I say? I'm curious.

Yeah....not a valid enough argument for me to say anything else.

And Strangler. I know its not good to say they can burn in hell. But thats just my feeling towards it. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us then in their sexual preference.

Professor S · 11-04-2004, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

And Strangler. I know its not good to say they can burn in hell. But thats just my feeling towards it. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us then in their sexual preference.

I'm not saying they are different. I'm not saying I agree with the fact that most people in the bible belt are hotly aganst gay marriage. What I'm saying is that those people VOTE. If you don't open the lines of communication with them or attempt comprimise with them, you'll lose every election.

They're not going away, but the democratic seats in Congress might be if they don't start coming back to the middle and recognizing some of these social/moral issues.

The Germanator · 11-04-2004, 03:16 PM

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I'm not saying they are different. I'm not saying I agree with the fact that most people in the bible belt are hotly aganst gay marriage. What I'm saying is that those people VOTE. If you don't open the lines of communication with them or attempt comprimise with them, you'll lose every election.

They're not going away, but the democratic seats in Congress might be if they don't start coming back to the middle and recognizing some of these social/moral issues.

I completley agree. And what do religious people do more often than others? BREED. Yes, so their kids will be raised in a similar environment, and will more than likely to vote and believe the same things as well. So not only will this issue not go away, the people who do believe are being constantly outnumbered and will continue to be. The Democrats really need to reach out to these people somehow, even if it means giving up thier own beliefs I guess...That's politics.

TheGame · 11-04-2004, 03:24 PM

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I completley agree. And what do religious people do more often than others? BREED. Yes, so their kids will be raised in a similar environment, and will more than likely to vote and believe the same things as well. So not only will this issue not go away, the people who do believe are being constantly outnumbered and will continue to be. The Democrats really need to reach out to these people somehow, even if it means giving up thier own beliefs I guess...That's politics.

I agree.

But, this is their country just like it is ours. We all decide what happens here. If a Democrat wants to make it back in office, they have to drop support for what the majority of their followers don't support.

If they support it regardless of what the majority of the population thinks, they are not going to get put in office in the first place. Its common sense. Democrats better hope Bush does an AWFUL job in the next 4 years, because the fact of the matter is: as long as they continue to fight for what us as americans don't want, they won't ever win.

Its going to take some very poor preformance on the part of repliblicans or democrats becoming more conservative before we will see another democratic president. Orrrr the young vote turn out is going to have to get bigger, and they have to be wildly different from the older generations. (As you pointed out, won't likely be the case.)

Jonbo298 · 11-04-2004, 04:04 PM

Wait...so your telling me that to gain votes I have to change my view on same-sex marriage and say it should be outlawed? Sorry but I'm not doing that if I became a politician.

Ace195 · 11-04-2004, 04:38 PM

Jon personally, I wouldn't vote for you. You just don't look like a trustworth fellow.. Lose the beard cut the hair and maybe..

TheGame · 11-08-2004, 07:16 PM

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Wait...so your telling me that to gain votes I have to change my view on same-sex marriage and say it should be outlawed? Sorry but I'm not doing that if I became a politician.

I didn't use those exact words, but if most americans disagree with any view you may have, you would have to drop support for it in order to help your chances at being elected.... or you can keep supporting it and risk losing many votes

Its common sense pretty much. This goes for any view on anything. The president is supposed to represent the majority of the country. Who represents us best is who wins, period.

Having the right to vote is great because it puts all the power in the people's hands... even if your boy lost you can be sure that the majority of America woke up the next morning with a smile on their face, and not mad because of the results.

TheGame · 11-04-2004, 03:12 PM

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Gays/Lesbians are no different then us then in their sexual preference.

Some people are in prison now for their 'different' sexual prefrences. And it was in situations where they both wanted to have sex, both understood what sex is, and both understand what marriage is... and in some cases would have married each other if there wasn't already a law against it.

The question here is about where we draw the line between freedom and what is immoral. I'm not saying two adult men getting married is any worse than a 45 year old and a 15 year old getting married, but it does point us in the direction of more freedom that isn't moral.

Think about TV... went from being able to say crap, to bitch, to ****, and soon enough we'll be hearing the F word on TV that kids have access to. You can see the difference in how people dress on TV too... I'm sure a time will come where a certain amount of nudity will be allowed (compared to the 60's we are past that :P), and it will progressivly get worse and worse. (I think an old epidsode of the simpsons put it best, they were in the future and Fox had hardcore porn on lol)

In my opinion, if you want to be gay, be gay, but don't expect it to be protected by the law any time soon. I think it will be eventually, but I also think this country is going straight to hell.

And I'm not going to lie, I'm not Jesus myself... I do immoral things, but still, i recognize its immoral, and shouldn't be protectable by law, and I'd vote against others doing it.

Also, sorry for butchering the thread