CNN.com: 79% say Kerry won debate

[hostilecrayon]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

that one quote actually really showed Bush's strength: avoiding a obviously deadly questioin. Its an extremely useful tool in debates, that helped him win last year as well. Similarly he avoided the "Were the lives lost in the War in Iraq worth it?" he answered "every life is precious". Its one of his strengths.

It's also called the Red Herring Fallacy and is absolutely irrelevent to the matter at hand. I only watched a small portion of the debates because I know they are both liars, and I was too busy laughing at all of the fallacies they committed to really pay attention. Pretty much no argument in the debate was actually a valid argument. They were all fallacious. The average person however, has no actual training in logic, and has no idea that the stuff they are saying shouldn't be taken seriously. They give you no reason whatsoever to believe their conclusions. They give no real evidence to back it up. It's almost as bad as walking around with a sign with a useless catch phrase on it.

Who am I voting for? Kerry. Why? Because I don't want to see Bush screw up our country anymore than he already has.

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by hostilecrayon

It's almost as bad as walking around with a sign with a useless catch phrase on it.

Who am I voting for? Kerry.

You want to talk about useless catch phrases...

"Help is on the way"

"Reporting for duty!"

How cheesy can you get? That is one reason I am against John Kerry, because rather than talk about important issues, he would rather say stuff like "I would tell the soldiers in Iraq that 'Help is on the way'." Yeah, that is really what they want to hear. That is one thing I can appreciate about Bush, behind his bumblings, he says things that have a little meaning.

If anyone actually took the time to really look up the things Kerry has said instead of blindly following him because he isn't Bush, then you would realize he is no better fit to lead.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

You want to talk about useless catch phrases...

"Help is on the way"

"Reporting for duty!"

What about Bushs "catch" phrases?

" and America is safer"

"God bless America"


I think he has said those enough to boost them into catchphrase status.

[The Germanator]

I believe he also said, "Hey, it's hard work" at least 27 times during the debate as well.

Being the President...Hard work? Since when.

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

What about Bushs "catch" phrases?

" and America is safer"

"God bless America"


I think he has said those enough to boost them into catchphrase status.

Everyone says God bless America. I was more talking about things that only Kerry likes to say. But, Bush did say America is safer a lot. But, unlike Kerry's dumbass "help is on the way", saying america is safer is stating something that has meaning.

And, yes, being president is hard work. I would not like to have that job of being responsible for an entire nation of people and everything that happens to them.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

Everyone says God bless America. I was more talking about things that only Kerry likes to say. But, Bush did say America is safer a lot. But, unlike Kerry's dumbass "help is on the way", saying america is safer is stating something that has meaning.

Are you dense?

Kerry saying "Help is on the way" is an underlying metaphor for sayin America will elect him.

And saying "America is safer" doesnt have meaning. He says it alot every speech he gives. It shows he has no stronger points in his speeches, so he has to constantly bring up terrorist attacks. Plus he constantly (except for the debate i think, i didnt watch all of it) uses 9/11 as a reason to elect him. Like, he was there, so they shoul;d elect him.

And Bush is proposing all these things he plans to do with his presidency, things that need to be done. Things he promised would be done last election if he was elected.

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

And, yes, being president is hard work. I would not like to have that job of being responsible for an entire nation of people and everything that happens to them.

Yeah, and that's the point to my sarcasm. He's the ****ing President. OF COURSE it's hard work. He repeats this and tells us like it's some sort of revelation.

[KillerGremlin]

I thought that the fundamentals of both candidates where so similar, that the basis on which they where arguing was skewed and irrelevant.

Personally, I felt that Kerry was better composed then Bush. However, that's the main thing that people are judging the winner/loser of the debate by, because it is certainly not being based off the "facts" or "ideas" presented by the candidates in the debate.

If people judged the candidates by the information that was presented, they would most likely scratch their heads, and say something along the lines of: "what the ****, these two guys are nearly identical, only Kerry has some pretty skewed short-term goals which won't get accomplished any faster then if Bush were in charge."

hostilecrayon has the right idea, but I would vote for Bush instead of Kerry. Bush, I think, knows that he ****ed up. But, he's holding steady. Kerry is going with what the people want, and unfortunately, in a time of war, what the people want may not be in the best interest of the war.

But does it really matter who wins the election? The war on terrorism isn’t going away, America still has to deal with Iraq, and Russia’s nuclear supply isn’t going to disappear during Kerry’s first year in office.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Russia’s nuclear supply isn’t going to disappear during Kerry’s first year in office.

Possibly it will.

Kerry has said numerous times he wants to gain respect for America in the world through diplomacy, not force.

Im not saying that guarantees anything, im just saying its better than the diplomatic talks Bush is doing. But I like Kerry, because while he seems all uppity about keeping a strong military, he also wants to establish better communications (lack of better word) with other countries so they respect the US more.