Bush Opens Double Digit Lead

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

America didn't fair as successfully in WWII as you may think. Sure, they did a great job but it was Russia that did most of the damage. Had Hitler not gone back on his strategy of not opening a war on two fronts and didn't attack Russia it's very possible he could have won the war.

Yeah, and who did Russia rely on for supplies in the early years of the war? That's right, the US. The western allies practically fed the Soviet army for quite some time. The Soviets were even using American tanks at one point. If you don't believe me, go look it up, but there's even a Russian-made film about Stalingrad where it shows the soldiers eating food sent from the US via Britain, even they don't deny it.

And it wasn't the fact that Hitler fought on two fronts, his big mistake was taking personal command of his army and not listening to his strategic advisors. His generals wanted to wait out the Russian winter, von Paulus wanted to pull out of Stalingrad until the spring, Hitler even decided to attack Russia in three major directions when only two were needed. Hitler was just a dumbass.

Edit: And yeah, I just want to say something else. The Russian army was a mess in 1941 when Hitler invaded. It wasn't even a real army, just a horde of soldiers who were getting their asses handed to them. And in the end Russia lost 20 million people. Yeah, 20 million, over 3 times the amount of Jews killed in the war. And where's the recognition? There is none. But yeah, 20 million people lost in exchange for a Communist Empire superpower which eventually collapsed. Not a good trade off, I don't think.

Though I do think Stalin was a great man in ONE sense... the fact that if it wasn't for him, Russia would not have won. His determination led them to victory. He would not let them retreat just to show his own soldiers how serious he was. And unlike Hitler he actually let his officers command the army.

Aaand... if Russia wasn't in the war, the US and it's allies would have won it eventually anyway.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Theres only one small flaw in your arguement Chrono, alright, so they took out a dictator, whom do you believe is worse though? Iraq or North Korea?

And to the risk of sounding like a neo-nazi, Hitler was not an idiot, not even close. Any one man that can be labeled responsible for an event to the mass of WWII, is no idiot. He knew how to lead his country, he was misled in what he wanted to do with it.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

Theres only one small flaw in your arguement Chrono, alright, so they took out a dictator, whom do you believe is worse though? Iraq or North Korea?

And to the risk of sounding like a neo-nazi, Hitler was not an idiot, not even close. Any one man that can be labeled responsible for an event to the mass of WWII, is no idiot. He knew how to lead his country, he was misled in what he wanted to do with it.

When it came to war tactics, he was an idiot. I'd go on and list all the mistakes that HE made for his army, though I'd be here for a while. So he knew how to lead the country... NOT IT's ARMY.

North Korea is just as bad. The people of that country are starving almost to death as we speak. However, with it's proximity to China, I do not think war with North Korea is likely, or even possible. But he should be removed from power also, and the entire Korean peninsula should unite.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Crono

When it came to war tactics, he was an idiot. I'd go on and list all the mistakes that HE made for his army, though I'd be here for a while. So he knew how to lead the country... NOT IT's ARMY.

North Korea is just as bad. The people of that country are starving almost to death as we speak. However, with it's proximity to China, I do not think war with North Korea is likely, or even possible. But he should be removed from power also, and the entire Korean peninsula should unite.

...thats like saying losing 1000 men is bush's fault because he doesn't know how to lead a war. He doesn't actually lead it.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

...thats like saying losing 1000 men is bush's fault because he doesn't know how to lead a war. He doesn't actually lead it.

Argh, obviously you don't understand. Hitler had PERSONAL control of his army. There's a damned difference. Hitler basically told them when to do it, where to do it, and how to do it. Bush doesn't do that.

But this is way off topic. I don't want to talk about it anymore.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Fair enough, i didn't know that Hitler personally controlled his army. Thanks for the info.


Anyways. is Bush still in a double digit lead?

[Blackmane]

I haven't heard from the same source, but some other paper is saying Kerry took a small gain recently, like a point or two.