10 year ban on assault weapons ends

[ZebraRampage]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Gee golly, time for me to go buy an Uzi and a ton of other Assault Weapons for NO ****ING REASON

This is only in Idaho, right? Well I do realize that these weapons could be used out of state, but like Jonbo said, I don't think that many people would even buy these weapons. I doubt it will contribute a significant amount to the gun issue that our country has.

[Fox 6]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Well, I don't even think handguns should be legal, so you can tell what I think about this...I think it sucks.

Handguns are illegal in Canada.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by ZebraRampage

This is only in Idaho, right? Well I do realize that these weapons could be used out of state, but like Jonbo said, I don't think that many people would even buy these weapons. I doubt it will contribute a significant amount to the gun issue that our country has.

No, nation wide.

What everyone must realize is that this ban didn't really do anything. An "assault weapon" is classified as any semi-automatic rifle which has two or more of the following: Pistol grip, collapsible stock, bayonet mount, muzzle suppressor, grenade launcher. (The grenade launcher was just tacked on to make the law seem more forceful but they're really weren't legal in the first place.)

Fully Automatic (which, by the way, does not mean rapid fire, although all rapid fire weapons are fully automatic) guns are banned in the United States. This law also removed the restriction on magazines over 10 rounds, although those magazines were still legal to own and use, just not manufacture. This law was pretty stupid, it didn't really do anything and ending it doesn't really expand anything.

I believe that single and double shot rifles and shotguns should be legal (for hunting) all other guns should be banned (including hand guns.)

[Fox 6]

Well if you run out of bullets hunting you can just stab a dear with a bayonet in a war rush

[jeepnut]

Originally Posted by happydude666

...or just stop manufacturing ammo...if the prices of ammo went up not many people would be able to afford to pay $50/bullet...so i say just stop manufacturing them outside of military bases and such.

That reminds me of a Chris Rock bit. "Man, I'd shoot your ass if I could afford it."

EDIT: (Full quote from Bowling For Columbine)
"You don't need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullit control! We need to control the bullits, that's right!

I think Bullits should cost $5,000. $5,000 for a bullit. You know why? 'Cause if a bullit cost $5,000, there'd be no more innocent bystanders.

Every time people are shot, people'd be like, "Damn! He musta done somethin'! They put $50,000 worth of bullits in his ass!"

People'd think before they killed somebody if a bullit cost $5,000. "Man I would blow your ****in' head off if... I could afford it! I'm gonna get another job, start savin' some money, and you a dead man! You better hope I can't get bullits on layaway!"" - Chris Rock

[Happydude]

Originally Posted by jeepnut

That reminds me of a Chris Rock bit. "Man, I'd shoot your ass if I could afford it."

EDIT: (Full quote from Bowling For Columbine)
"You don't need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullit control! We need to control the bullits, that's right!

I think Bullits should cost $5,000. $5,000 for a bullit. You know why? 'Cause if a bullit cost $5,000, there'd be no more innocent bystanders.

Every time people are shot, people'd be like, "Damn! He musta done somethin'! They put $50,000 worth of bullits in his ass!"

People'd think before they killed somebody if a bullit cost $5,000. "Man I would blow your ****in' head off if... I could afford it! I'm gonna get another job, start savin' some money, and you a dead man! You better hope I can't get bullits on layaway!"" - Chris Rock

yeah...that's kinda where i got the idea

[TheSlyMoogle]

It would suck to be a cop right about now.

[DimHalo]

Oh, I didn't realize that it was the whole nation. That's a little different story. I'll have to consider that when I have time.

[Professor S]

I apologize for the political vein of this link, but it does shed some light on the assault weapon ban expiring and its implications if you look past the criticism of a MoveOn.org ad campaign:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=258

I removed most of political content in the quote.

Contrary to what the ad clearly implies, any weapon that can fire 300 rounds per minute remains illegal for civilians to own without specific clearance by the US Department of Justice.

In fact, machine guns have been tightly regulated since the passage of the National Firearms Act in 1934, in the wake of the gangster era. Legal ownership of a machine gun requires an extensive federal background check, fingerprinting, signed clearance from the chief of local law enforcement (such as a county sheriff), a $200 excise tax , and weeks of paperwork. That was true before the assault-weapon ban was enacted in 1994, and it remains true with the expiration of the ban at midnight Sept. 13, 2004.

[playa_playa]

I can't believe what I'm hearing. All guns should be illegal? All guns but hunting rifles should be illegal? Civilian-aimed replicas of military-issue rifles should be illegal? What's next? People shouldn't have baseball bats in their homes because it injures far too many people?

Listen, guns are NECESSARY in some cases; especially handguns. Do you want to tell a single mom who commutes through a gang-ridden downtown street to do so without protecting herself with a firearm? Do you want to tell your sister, who has to take a subway train to that medical school because she's trying to save as much as she can, that although subway trains and the city she resides in is inundated with criminals, child molesters and rapists that she shouldn't protect herself with a handgun because "guns kill people?"

We cannot un-invent guns (and even if we could, I wouldn't want to). Criminals are going to have guns for the sake of their tasks. And since some of us aren't so proficient in the deadly art of disarming hardened criminals and kicking their asses with a flying double roundhouse, some of us are going to need guns to defend ourselves. A gun is an equalizer, of all the bad rep it receives.

As for the assault weapons issue, think of it like this: as cheap as some assault rifles and submachine guns are, many criminals are going to have them. One could make an argument that a homeowner living in a gang-infested area would need protection afforded by a gun with a superior firepower. And you know what, with all the procedures in place (background checks, necessary paperwork, the taxes), the only argument that could be made against assault weapons is that the owner of one could go berserk and go on a shooting rampage. Yes, it's possible. But it's not very plausible and does not hold water when weighed against the fact that such said protection is sorely needed in some parts of the country.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by playa_playa

Listen, guns are NECESSARY in some cases; especially handguns. Do you want to tell a single mom who commutes through a gang-ridden downtown street to do so without protecting herself with a firearm?

But you see, if guns were illegal, it would be harder for those gang members to have guns. Meaning they would have to try and conceal a baseball bat.

If guns are illegal, that means nobody woul dhave them. You just need stricter gun laws.

The only reason you would need a gun to protect yourself is because someone is shooting at you with a gun.
And where did they get that gun? At the gun store.
And how did they get it? Because its legal.
If you make guns illegal, shootings will go down, its a proven fact.

Gang crime will go down, because like i said, you cant conceal a baseball bat.

And are the cops gonna belive that 20 guys dressed in colours are going to a game of baseball at 1 am? No, i dont think so.

Its easy to get rid of guns. Make gun laws stricter. I mean come on, you guys get jail time for having weed, but not guns. Guns kill people, weed just makes you stupid.

Make having a gun like a 10 year sentance. Not for shooting a gun, just for having it. Unless it is proven it is for hunting reasons.

EDIT: But who am I to say guns should be illegal, my brother-ish friend was just shot and burned to death, thats all.

And no, im not trying to use that to my advantage in this conversation.

Guns = Violence. Yes, a baseball bat can too, but baseball bats dont fire little balls of iron or lead at your face. You have to walk up to someone to smash-em with a bat, unless you can throw little chunks of the bat at like 600 mp/h. with deadly aim, then were in trouble.

[playa_playa]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

But you see, if guns were illegal, it would be harder for those gang members to have guns. Meaning they would have to try and conceal a baseball bat.

If guns are illegal, that means nobody woul dhave them. You just need stricter gun laws.

Are you even serious? If guns were illegal, it would be harder for gang member to have guns? Are you implying that criminals purchase guns from actual cerified vendors who run background checks, fill out paperwork and make you pay tax? Or would they just buy illegal, untraceable guns (meaning the serial number has been removed) from the black market?

Guns = Violence

Yes, in many many cases. But if the criminal aggressor ends up on the receiving end of a justifiable violence in the act of a self-defense by a 19 year-old female college student, I'm more than satisfied. In fact, the girl just did the society a favor.

[Crono]

Making guns illegal or legal won't make a difference in gun related crimes. People will still get them illegally, like playa said.

What you need is a more strict justice system. Make a person afraid to commit a crime, and the crimes will stop.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Crono

What you need is a more strict justice system. Make a person afraid to commit a crime, and the crimes will stop.

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Make having a gun like a 10 year sentance. Not for shooting a gun, just for having it. Unless it is proven it is for hunting reasons.

agreed.

[jeepnut]

Originally Posted by Crono

Making guns illegal or legal won't make a difference in gun related crimes. People will still get them illegally, like playa said.

What you need is a more strict justice system. Make a person afraid to commit a crime, and the crimes will stop.

You think someone thinks about what will happen if they are caught when committing a crime? No, you wouldn't do it if you did or if you didn't think you could get away with it.