What religion are you?

Canyarion · 09-08-2004, 04:45 PM

It's The Dúnadan!!!! Nice to see you!

Off topic: I'm the only 'old' Tolkien fan left here!

Do you really think people would have bought it when they saw that those writers exaggerated the stories about Jesus?? What's told in the bible, really happened there. And what about all the prophecies about him??
It's not easy to deny that Jesus was the promised messiah..

Crono · 09-08-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Canyarion

It's The Dúnadan!!!! Nice to see you!

Off topic: I'm the only 'old' Tolkien fan left here!

Do you really think people would have bought it when they saw that those writers exaggerated the stories about Jesus?? What's told in the bible, really happened there. And what about all the prophecies about him??
It's not easy to deny that Jesus was the promised messiah..

The Bible was not written at the time of Jesus. The stories could have been and probably were changed throughout the decades. I dont think it was written until about 60 years after his death, even more in some parts of the Bible.

Canyarion · 09-08-2004, 05:48 PM

So? More reason for people to be critical, methinks.
And besides, I don't think that's true.
Only Luke (or Mark?) wrote his book quite some time later. Joan and Matthew wrote it pretty soon, as I remember it.
The Revelation was the last biblebook to be written, Joan wrote it, so it couldn't have been that much later. 60 years MAX.

And you forgot the prophecies part.

Seth · 09-08-2004, 07:19 PM

That's crazy how Angrist says Joan for John. Sweet.

TheGame · 09-08-2004, 07:42 PM

*cough* I could make a long ass post, but I'm not in the mood... Typhoid, mickey pretty much killed your arguement. I don't know why you just said "Exactly."

Just because a miricle happens once, it doesn't mean it has to happen again ever.

As for your faith in science... I just find it to be a bit more likely that somone created us than any other explanation I have heard.

"Translation: No sperm is needed, as he's FRIGGIN' GOD. If you can create the universe in seven days, you can knock up a chick without banging her."

Hehe, that was funny

The Duggler · 09-09-2004, 03:15 AM

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As for your faith in science...

It's funny how religious people use the term faith when referring to science. We believe in what science has to offer. We don't blindly think it's the truth, we base our judgement on experiences and proofs. And since we deduct it's the most reasonnable explaination, the closest thing to the truth, then we go with it.

It's probably not right on, but it sure seems a lot more logical than anything any religions can come up with.

Crash · 09-09-2004, 03:42 AM

well, couple things... revalations was not the last book in the bible to be written, it just happens to be last in the bible. yes, the books of the new testament were not written until some 60-80 years after the events actually happened. The stories were passed down the generations by word of mouth, so some stuff had to have been outta proportion and exaggerated.

Canyarion · 09-09-2004, 06:27 AM

No no I'm sure there are enough proofs that Mathew and John wrote their own books... they were THERE with Jesus all the time.

And you STILL haven't explained the prophecies.

TheGame · 09-09-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitram

It's funny how religious people use the term faith when referring to science. We believe in what science has to offer. We don't blindly think it's the truth, we base our judgement on experiences and proofs. And since we deduct it's the most reasonnable explaination, the closest thing to the truth, then we go with it.

If you don't know somthing is the truth, you don't know it is the truth, period. What one calls the "Logical closest thing to the truth" could be completly wrong... you chose to believe its the closest thing to the truth because of your faith in science.

The only thing a person knows for a fact is their own feelings and emotions. After that there is no facts. Its all what you chose to believe. If it isn't a fact, and you believe it without constantly questioning it, you have faith...

In my opinion, "based on judgement on experiences and proofs", I think it is more logical that there is a god. In your opinion, you think that it isn't logical... You can't prove me wrong, nor can you prove you are right. Just like I can't prove you are wrong and can't prove that I am right. The only person that matters in this situation is me though... I have proven to myself that it is right. (And if I told you how chances are you wouldn't believe me.)

Dylflon · 09-09-2004, 02:48 PM

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I have proven to myself that it is right. (And if I told you how chances are you wouldn't believe me.)

I'd like to hear.

Typhoid,why are you getting all bent out of shape? I don't get it.

The Duggler · 09-14-2004, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

If you don't know somthing is the truth, you don't know it is the truth, period. What one calls the "Logical closest thing to the truth" could be completly wrong... you chose to believe its the closest thing to the truth because of your faith in science.

Ok, maybe "believe" wasn't the word I should have used. The only thing that I would believe would have to be the absolute truth, and because we will never have that (anyways not in a close future) then I will have to say that I don't believe anything. Now when I look to science I would have to say that it make a lot of sense but there is always a BUT. But you, you think and say that religion must be it, it's like you have the absolute truth, and that is not right at all.

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The only thing a person knows for a fact is their own feelings and emotions. After that there is no facts. Its all what you chose to believe. If it isn't a fact, and you believe it without constantly questioning it, you have faith...

Feelings are fact? What about feelings changed by certain drugs? Are they still fact? Or feelings changed by something else like lies or anything else? See? Feelings are as misleading as anything else.

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In my opinion, "based on judgement on experiences and proofs", I think it is more logical that there is a god. In your opinion, you think that it isn't logical... You can't prove me wrong, nor can you prove you are right. Just like I can't prove you are wrong and can't prove that I am right. The only person that matters in this situation is me though... I have proven to myself that it is right. (And if I told you how chances are you wouldn't believe me.)

Try me. Tell me about those proofs. We'll see.

Canyarion · 09-09-2004, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bouncer

That's crazy how Angrist says Joan for John. Sweet.

Ah ok!

In Dutch it's Johannes. And Matheüs, Lukas, Markus.