Bent over and stuck up the ass

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Heh, wow.

Sexual preference and Race are two different things. One is a choice, the other isn't.

Game, do you consider your heterosexuality a choice, or an inherent part of who you are?

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Game, do you consider your heterosexuality a choice, or an inherent part of who you are?

Thats an interesting question... I consider it a chioce though. But I also consider it a part of who I am. Just like other things I "chose" to enjoy.

[Professor S]

A choice implies that you have had to make the decision between at least two things. So have you ever had the inclination to be attracted to men? If so, then you have a choice to make. If you've never been attracted to men, then there is no choice as there is only one option.

Pick one.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

A choice implies that you have had to make the decision between at least two things. So have you ever had the inclination to be attracted to men? If so, then you have a choice to make. If you've never been attracted to men, then there is no choice as there is only one option.

Pick one.

What in the hell.... >.>

Just because I've never been attracted to men doesn't mean I didn't have the option to be. Think of anything in the world that you simply don't like and never have. You are saying you didn't chose not to like it? Think of food and music.

Now... you are probably thinking "I tasted the food, and I listened to the song before deciding I didn't like it." Well, before one has sexual intercourse, how do they decide who they are or are not attracted to?

I looked at a girl's ass I was like "Yes, melikes" I looked at a guy's ass and I was like "Hell no" I look at an ugly girl's ass "No thanks"

So I made a desicion. What one choses to like or dislike and love or hate is a part of who they are too. By your logic, I didn't have a choice to if I enjoyed Video games or not, it was just a part of me. Heck I was playing and loving my Mario Bros before the thought of sex even crossed my mind.

So, yes, I see it as a choice, AND as a part of who I am.

[Professor S]

For there to be a choice in this, you have to have two options. If you cannot get an erection from the idea of having sex with a man, you cannot have sex with them, so there is no choice.

Its a part of who you are. Arguments about choice in homosexuality are arguments that attempt to justify bigotry and the illusion that gay people could become straight anymore than I could have sex with another man even if I "chose to".

EDIT: Game, please don't mistake me for calling you bigotted. I just think you might be listening to a lot of rationales from those who are. Its my personal belief, and I think the logical one, that we can't expect gay people to change their sexuality any more than we could change ours. Sexuality is integral to who we are as people, much more so than music or movies or culture. To deny our selxuality is to deny ourselves.

[Rumpelstilzchen]

This is true, being homosexual is not by choice.

But... do you choose what you like in any circumstance? Or is it simply how you were made?

Perhaps choices are illusions of control, when they are merely alterations of your natural design, and rather the shackles latched to those who "choose" "originality"

[TheGame]

For there to be a choice in this, you have to have two options. If you cannot get an erection from the idea of having sex with a man, you cannot have sex with them, so there is no choice.

No, there is a choice. I chose who/what gives me an erection based off of certain qualities they posess and the situation.

An erection is a part of sex, you don't have an erection then chose your target. You chose your target then you have an erection. Same case scenario for men and women. There are girls who can't give me an erection just like there are guys who can't give me an erection, but they are all options. I chose not to have sex with a guy because I'm not attracted to him, just like I chose not to have sex with a girl because I'm not attracted to her.

Just because a guy has never given me an erection before doesn't mean I'm incapable of getting one from a guy. I've just never experienced that. (And because I think it is immoral I won't act on it... or try not to at least.)

Its a part of who you are.

Yep, that is what I said in my last post.

Arguments about choice in homosexuality are arguments that attempt to justify bigotry and the illusion that gay people could become straight anymore than I could have sex with another man even if I "chose to".

Did I ever say gay people could become straight? NO. Did I ever say you are capible of having sex with a man? NO. I'm not trying to argue that. You like what you like and you don't like what you don't like... may it be girls, guys, elephants, small children, or your hand. Do you chose what you like and what you don't like? Well, do you believe in Free will? However you answer the second question is how you answer the first.

Is it my right to think what you like is immoral? Yep. Is it your right to think what somone else likes it immoral? Yep.

(Edit: Also, I'm not trying to argue against gay people. You asked me if I thought my own sexuality was a choice, and I see it as a choice. I don't think gay people can beome straight unless they suddenly prefer women to men... which isn't likely. Just like it isn't likely for me to completly change what I like over night.)

[Professor S]

Understood. I don't agree with you, but you've explained yourself very well and I can see where you're coming from. This has been an excellent discussion!