My Liberal Views

[Joeiss]

Legalize weed, and tax the hell out of it. That would make government lots and lots of cash. And then obviously the alcohol rules would apply to marijuana as well... Maybe even stricter.

[Typhoid]

Im for abortion, ( I know the way i said that makes me sound evil) But its the womans choice.

And i dont think the fetus is considered a "child" until its born.

When a pregnant woman who has 3 kids already, gets asked how many kids she has, she doesnt say 4, she says 3, and one on the way.

Meaning its a developing child.

So if after 3 months a fetus is considered a child, are they counted in the census reports? Do they get a passport yet? Birth Certificate? Christmas Presents? No, because they arnt technically people yet.

If a house is being built, 3 months into the construction you dont consider it a full-blow house yet, its a house in construction.

Such is a baby, they are people in construction if you will.

It takes 9 months to develop a baby, not 3, or else the baby would be out in three months if "mother nature" deemed it sufficient enough time.

[Crash]

yeah, but dont they also say,

can you feel the baby kicking?

they dont say, can you feel the fetus kicking. or, can you feel what-is-going-to-be-a-baby-later kicking

[Joeiss]

abortion stops a beating heart....

[Crono]

I'm for abortion, but sometimes I think things like "let the stupid slut who got laid put up with that damned child to be, no matter what it does to her life, it's the bitch's responsiblity now".

Originally Posted by bouncer

You wouldn't mind it if your government forced you to go to church on Sunday? How about requiring you to pay tithe to a church?

Explain to me why you think church(religion) should have any purposeful integration with government please.

I'm Catholic, but my opinion is that religion needs to stay out of government and politics. People use their religous ideas and take them too far.

And Christianity won't last much longer anyway, it'll eventually disappear out of constitutions, with the new generation of youth and all. Islam, on the other hand...

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by Crono

I'm for abortion, but sometimes I think things like "let the stupid slut who got laid put up with that damned child to be, no matter what it does to her life, it's the bitch's responsiblity now".

And if she is raped?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

And if she is raped?

Well, that's her problem...

Well in that case I wouldn't care, but like I said I was for abortion, the second part was just a joke.

Let the babies die, either abort them or feed them to DarkMaster, he eats babies.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Im for abortion, ( I know the way i said that makes me sound evil) But its the womans choice.

And i dont think the fetus is considered a "child" until its born.

So by this definition, if a child is one week away for its due date, it could still be aborted and thats perfectly fine?

Or could a mother give birth but only let the head out, then smash it with a hammer, and that would be fine to, seeing as its not officially "born" yet?

This is a very slippery slope you walk down.

So if after 3 months a fetus is considered a child, are they counted in the census reports? Do they get a passport yet? Birth Certificate? Christmas Presents? No, because they aren't technically people yet.

So your definition of humanity breaks down to government certification and Christmas presents? I find that depressing.

If a house is being built, 3 months into the construction you dont consider it a full-blow house yet, its a house in construction.

You just compared a living thing to a house.

It takes 9 months to develop a baby, not 3, or else the baby would be out in three months if "mother nature" deemed it sufficient enough time.

So I'll ask you again, by you're definition you are fine with an abortion being ok in 8 3/4 months as long as the child is still in the mother?

[Jonbo298]

I don't have a problem with Abortion. It's the Woman's choice. It's her body. Not the governments body. Althought after about the 3-4 month mark, the abortion process shouldn't happen and after the mother has the child, let someone adopt it.

[Typhoid]

Strangler, who would decide to abort the child when its being born, and who the f*** in their right mind would smash a baby's head with a hammer? You are f***ed up to even think of that as a valid argument.

If the woman decides to abort the baby, she will abort it, her decision, whenever that may be. But nobody would let the decision linger for 8 3/4 months, they would decisde in a couple.


And the baby would be born if the head is out, because well, the head is out.

I honestly cant get over what you said about hitting a baby on the head with a hammer, your sick and f***ing demented man, seriously, what kind of person would say something like that, or even think it to be a good argument point?

And yes, i compared an un-born fetus to a house, at least im not saying things about hitting babies on the heads with hammers.

[TheGame]

All I have to say is... where will we draw the line of what moral and what's immoral? Seems to me that many people want the constitution to say:

"Do whatever the hell you want as long as it in no way shape or form physicaly or financialy hurts other people."

I'm against Gay Marriage because I think it's immoral, just like I think doing drugs is immoral, and just like I think a 28 year old man having sex with a 12 year old girl (who wants it just as bad as him) is immoral. None of these in any way shape or form affect how I live, but I still frown upon them.

If there was a law to legalize any of them, based off of my personal beliefs and morality there is no way on earth I would vote for them.

But maybe my mind is trapped in a hole, I'm like the white men in america who thought seeing a White girl with a black man was immoral. Maybe future generations will look at me and say I'm ignorant, maybe you all are saying it right now. But these are my beliefs, and I'm sticking to it.

[Dylflon]

I don't understand why so many people are against gay marriage. Gays are people too. They deserve the same rights that everyone else enjoys. What's so scary about letting them get married?

People need to start judging others on whether or not they're good people. Not who they have intercourse with.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by TheGame

But maybe my mind is trapped in a hole, I'm like the white men in america who thought seeing a White girl with a black man was immoral. Maybe future generations will look at me and say I'm ignorant, maybe you all are saying it right now.

So you mean you're a Republican then?

I have no problem with gay marrage, they have just as much right as we ( straight people) do. Why should they be excluded, obviously they are willing to do it, it doesnt harm anyone else, and in-fact we have gay marrages here, and it doesnt bother me one bit.

And a White girl with a black guy bothers you? Really? You sound like all those people that grew up in the 50's....um.....what are they called......um....racists.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Strangler, who would decide to abort the child when its being born, and who the f*** in their right mind would smash a baby's head with a hammer? You are f***ed up to even think of that as a valid argument.

I was using hyperbole to make a point. My point is that lines need to be drawn as to what is considered a viable baby and what is considered a potential life. You even go on to say:

If the woman decides to abort the baby, she will abort it, her decision, whenever that may be. But nobody would let the decision linger for 8 3/4 months, they would decisde in a couple.

If you let someone do it, they will, and its going on NOW. Its called partial birth abortion where a child is delivered partially (meaning part of the child is still in the womb) and is then killed. This is currently LEGAL because the child has not been technically "delivered to completion" and is therefore not considered a human life. See what I'm saying now with the baby and the hammer?

Also, if people would decide after the first, say, three months on whether they'll keep the baby.... why not make it a law to protect the now essentially developed child?

And the baby would be born if the head is out, because well, the head is out.

Not according to current US abortion law

I honestly cant get over what you said about hitting a baby on the head with a hammer, your sick and f***ing demented man, seriously, what kind of person would say something like that, or even think it to be a good argument point?

I believe I just explained myself sufficiently.

As for it being a woman's body and its her right to choose, thats all well and good but at some point during a pregnancy that woman's body is caring for another human being who we as a society need to protect. We have to be able to set definite ground rules of when this takes place.