Fahrenheit 9/11

Typhoid · 06-29-2004, 03:42 PM

I don't know how people got it in their heads that Moore wants this movie to strictly and solely change peoples views on the presidential election. Unless you can find me a quote that has him saying that.

How can a movie make you change your view?

But since Moore is blatently anti-Bush, its such a big deal to all the republicans everywhere.

TheGame · 06-29-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

I don't know how people got it in their heads that Moore wants this movie to strictly and solely change peoples views on the presidential election. Unless you can find me a quote that has him saying that.

How can a movie make you change your view?

But since Moore is blatently anti-Bush, its such a big deal to all the republicans everywhere.

You would have to be blind not to see that this movie's intention is to change peoples views by making the president look bad. Moore can lie all he wants, but the reason he put this on film is to convince others of his views. If he didn't want to pursuade voters, he wouldn't have wasted his time making a movie like this.

Bond · 06-29-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

I don't know how people got it in their heads that Moore wants this movie to strictly and solely change peoples views on the presidential election.

Moore has said he wants this movie to change the presidential election, in favor of Kerry.

Null · 06-29-2004, 04:58 PM

lol! would he even of needed to say it?

come on, he's so heavily anti bush that you'd think he'd want bush to win again? of course he wants it to change peoples minds.

of course he might want bush to win so he can do a sequal

Jonbo298 · 06-29-2004, 05:05 PM

You all need to remember Moore is not a democrat nor a republican since its making it sound like he is

Professor S · 06-29-2004, 05:13 PM

Actually he is a registered Democrat in New York and is actually registered to vote in 2 states.

Gee, did Michael Moore lie again? Go figure.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore1.html

Stonecutter · 06-29-2004, 05:55 PM

Now that is absolutely ridiculous.

Do you have any idea how many people are registered as either democrats or republicans but vote for neither?

My dad will punch republican for every election from now till the end of time but he's still a registered democrat because he believes that by voting democratic during the primaries (which is really the only place were registration matters) he can help nominate what he feels to be a "lesser" candidate.

Dylflon · 06-30-2004, 02:30 AM

Strangler, you're missing the point in the congressman interview scene. He doesn't care if people have nephews overseas. That congressman didn't send them there.

The point was that these people encourage other people to send their children to war but refuse to send their own.

Zaglar Ninja · 06-30-2004, 05:00 AM

I'm hurting myslef? ok im going to make this simple... and.... talk... really... slow.... Bush... lies... lots... more... than.... moore. get it? Listen to what moore says, take out the facts he claims, check them. Is that so hard? you take the facts that are true and you take the facts that are false and he is always going to have a stronger argument against Bush. Why is it so important to take the false points and use them against his fact points? I simply ignore what is fiction and listen to what is fact. try doing that with bush, you get like 5 minutes of listening for an hour long speech.

oops I started talking at normal speed again, well with any luck you might have been able to understand

Bond · 06-30-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaglar Ninja

Listen to what moore says, take out the facts he claims, check them. Is that so hard? you take the facts that are true and you take the facts that are false

Would you please demonstrate your magical ability to seperate facts and lies in the movie Fahrenheit 9/11?

Zaglar Ninja · 06-30-2004, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

Would you please demonstrate your magical ability to seperate facts and lies in the movie Fahrenheit 9/11?

Its called reading. I use the internet, google is a very good site.

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That statement is utterly BRILLIANT

yes good one, take one error in my post and use it against the rest of what I say, thats what I call Brilliant, hey why don't you make fun of the fact I capitalized brilliant and you can forget that you're a failure

I'm going to try and sum this up, if you argue against Micheal Moore for good reasons then I can respect that, if you argue against him for not citing Stupid White Men, I can respect that, If you argue against his movie you havn't seen your a moron. Watch the movie or start a new thread titled "Micheal Moore is a moron up until Farinheit 9/11"

Professor S · 06-30-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaglar Ninja

you take the facts that are false

That statement is utterly BRILLIANT

Null · 06-30-2004, 12:29 PM

heheh. reminds me of that beer commerical with the cartoon doods.

guy 1... you take out the facts that are false!

guy 2... brilliant!

guy 1 and guy 2... BRILLIANT!!!

Professor S · 06-30-2004, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

Strangler, you're missing the point in the congressman interview scene. He doesn't care if people have nephews overseas. That congressman didn't send them there.

The point was that these people encourage other people to send their children to war but refuse to send their own.

Dyflon, if Michael Moore doesn't care that the Congressman had a nephew overseas, why did he take the time to carefully edit out his full response, yet leave in his initial expression? Why not just edit it out competely, or leave it in the whole response if he was going to use it at all?

Answer, and an obvious one at that: It might actually make a republican look like he's not a completely evil member of a secret society out to destroy the world. He cared that the Congressman didn't look like a complete son of a bitch, so he edited it out, like he does with ANY response that doesn't suit his agenda. He does this in ALL of his movies and Bowling for Columbine is his most shining example.

For Michael Moore to allow anyone he does not agree with politically to be viewed as anything but stupid, or evil in his would offend his own beliefs.

He omitted it on purpose to decieve, therefore it is a lie.

And Stonecutter, you can still vote for a President when you are an independent, you just can't vote in a primary, as primaries' purpose IS FOR A POLITICAL PARTY TO CHOOSE A CANDIDATE. If Michael Moore wants to be able to choose the Democratic nominee, then he has to consider himself a member of the Democratic party. But then again, I suppose Michael Moore wants to be able to have it both ways, which is a pattern for him.

Also, considering his penchant for lying, I am not willing to "take him at his word" that he is independent. All the evidence in the world says he is a Democrat, therefore he is a Democrat. Thats how it works. In the real world its what you do and whether or not you have factual evidence that counts, not just what you say. I don't believe Mr. Moore ever got that memo.

One last thing, what do you think about Moore not voting in three years? He always said he wanted to have change in his lifetime, but he hasn't done anything in three years to directly attempt to make change. A little odd don't you think? Maybe... hypocritical?