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Old 06-27-2004, 11:45 PM   #1
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hehehe. it was actually quite an amusing movie/documentary.

They're all real video in it. but he just pieces them together in a way to make a big story line. some is true. some is made to sound different then it is. some is exagerations.

but i only went cuz some friends decided to go while we were out. It was good for entertainment

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Old 06-28-2004, 12:30 AM   #2
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I really want to go see this movie, hopefully I can make it some time this week.
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Old 06-28-2004, 12:31 AM   #3
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I will admit, after having read everything that I could find that was Anti-Bowling for Columbine, that Moore did do some unfair things to help make his point.

I saw F 9/11 on Friday and have looked into every single story that attempts to debunk Moore's side of the facts and I have found NOTHING wrong. The vast majority of the attacks take the form of the things that Manasecret posted. Stuff like this:


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But the movie does not point out that the FBI interviewed about 30 of the Saudis before they left the USA and that investigators say no one on board the planes has turned out to be of interest. The independent 9/11 commission has reported that "each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure."
I mean, that's ridiculous. So the FBI interviewed less than 25% of the Saudis that left and then we're supposed to feel better because it turns out after the fact that they really weren't a threat. Well golly gee, I'm so glad we got that information after they left the country.

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In December 1997, a delegation of top Taliban officials visited the USA at the invitation of officials from Unocal, a California-based oil and gas company with extensive business dealings in Texas. At the time, Unocal was pursuing a deal to construct a gas pipeline through Afghanistan. Moore notes that the delegation visited Texas while Bush was governor. He doesn't say the delegation met with Bush, but that is implied.

In fact, Bush did not meet with the Taliban representatives. What Moore also doesn't say is that Clinton administration officials at the State Department did sit down with the Taliban officials and that their visit was made with the Clinton administration's permission.
Paragraph 1: Saying that it was implied is implying that it was implied. How this can be construed as anything but right-wing nitpicking is beyond me. I didn't feel it was implied. Texas is an oil rich state, I'm sure some bull**** went down while they were there, if not with bushes bosom buddies than with another scummy oil corporation.

Paragraph 2: Anyone who has followed Michael Moore's career knows he's no fan of the Democratic Party, but the feeling of the vast majority of the liberals in this country is that right now anything is better than the Republican Party. For a conservative to point this out is basically conceding that very fact.

If you want to say that this movie is more a piece of propaganda than a documentary I won't argue with (to a point, all of the parts where Moore actually went and did his own interviews cannot be considered anything but documentary) but I have yet to see ANYTHING that exposes a major flaw (or even a minor flaw) in the FACTS of this movie. That wasn't the case with BfC, and Moore has learned his lesson. He hired an entire team of fact checkers and a team of lawyers to go after anyone who attempts to discredit the movie though false accusations.

If you follow the news carefully, as I do, you won't learn very much from F 9/11, but I, though a modest person, can guarantee that the vast majority of the American public does not follow the news as closely as I do and they are going to learn a lot from this movie.

4 Stars, go see it, $10 bet on the table that it gets a Best Picture nomination.
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Old 06-28-2004, 12:42 AM   #4
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Can't get best picture. But I wonder if they'll give him best documentary again.

*Strokes chin*

If Bush is still in office he probably won't even be nominated.
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Old 06-28-2004, 12:45 AM   #5
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Sure it can get best picture.

It won't, but I bet it gets a nomination.
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Old 06-28-2004, 12:51 AM   #6
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I was supposed to be watching it right this very second with Zaglar Ninja,....stupid Hockey ruins my plans...curse you.

I saw some "highlights" of it on channels, and it is apparent he does less talking and lets the events speak for themselves.


And i remember somebody ( i honestly forget who) was bashing Moore for trying to level with the "common man" and people keep making references to the fact he is rich. So what, he was common before he decided to sell everything he owned to make his first contraversial movie, money doesnt make a person change, trust me.
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Old 06-28-2004, 12:57 AM   #7
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I have to travel to Vancouver if I want to watch the film(which I do).

That's about a 4 hours drive. I'd probably see it at the collossus in Langley.

I'm annoyed that none of the Landmark Cinema or Famous Players theatres are playing the film here. I don't get it?


Maybe because I'm in a conservative riding?

j/k

Anyway, thanks for the post stonecutter.(+ rep for the digging) I've already heard a bunch of people trying to discredit it. I happened to be watching global news (typhoid, dyne dylflon etc will know) and they completely discredited the movie. It was kind of weird. Anyway...I don't know if I'll travel the 4 miles to Vancouver from Kelowna. Normally I would in the summer but I have a full time job and such. I'll try for a kazaa or suprnova.
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Old 06-28-2004, 01:30 AM   #8
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I saw it last night. Great movie. It really has convinced to vote for Kerry instead of Nader...We need to give someone else a shot at this presidency thing...

Anyway, I liked how Moore mostly kept himself out of the film and let the footage speak for itself. This was way more effective than some of his personal probing in Bowling For Columbine. Good movie, defintely reccomended.
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Old 06-28-2004, 06:55 PM   #9
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I'm probably going to see it tonight or tomorrow. Looks good.
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