We blew up a wedding

[Canyarion]

Leave Iraq. Now.

[Professor S]

This is a perfect example of what I have been talking about. The keft have taken an example of a mistake made during wartime, analyze it to death and try to put more importance on their lives that ever trying to look at THE BIG PICTURE.

Why do they do that?

Because if they looked at the big picture they'd see the thousands of lives that have actually been SAVED by the war. But no, 40+ people at a wedding were killed so the entire war and all the people who won't be terrorized and murdered out of hand mean absolutely NOTHING. You have to love human rights issues when they become pure politics.

[Crash]

it says there were rifles and foreign passports, they suspect it was a camp (who just happened to also have a wedding)

terrorists get married to. damn liberal reporters, just writing up the "sad, poor iraqi's" crap. american media sickens me.

keep serving your country boys!

*prepares to vote for bush*

[Dylflon]

Grrr!

You people have little or no regard for human life. You just don't give a ****.

At this point I don't give a flying **** who is in the White House this year. Republican or Democrat, this war will continue.

And don't just think I'm anti-American. I care about the lives of the soldiers that this war is costing.

But to say you want to go into a country and help it and then kill thousands of civilians? What the hell is that!?

What's your excuse? You're killing them so that they don't die!? Granted, some civilians will get killed in cross fire and such. I can handle that. But SO MANY civilians have died.

You're not protecting them from terror. You're subjecting them to terror this very moment. Is it a surprise they're fighting back? There was an estimate (which I'll attempt to find) that said that every person in Iraq has lost at least one member of their family in one branch in every direction.

When this war is done, the Iraqis will have nothing but hate for the Americans. This could spawn more terror attacks against America. Therefore, this has to be the most pointless war since Vietnam.

I don't have some sort of political agenda when I talk about civilian death. I'm simply disgusted by the fact that so many civilians are dying. I can't help but think some of the reporters reporting these stories feel the same way.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Grrr!

You people have little or no regard for human life. You just don't give a ****.

At this point I don't give a flying **** who is in the White House this year. Republican or Democrat, this war will continue.

And don't just think I'm anti-American. I care about the lives of the soldiers that this war is costing.

But to say you want to go into a country and help it and then kill thousands of civilians? What the hell is that!?

What's your excuse? You're killing them so that they don't die!? Granted, some civilians will get killed in cross fire and such. I can handle that. But SO MANY civilians have died.

You're not protecting them from terror. You're subjecting them to terror this very moment. Is it a surprise they're fighting back? There was an estimate (which I'll attempt to find) that said that every person in Iraq has lost at least one member of their family in one branch in every direction.

When this war is done, the Iraqis will have nothing but hate for the Americans. This could spawn more terror attacks against America. Therefore, this has to be the most pointless war since Vietnam.

I don't have some sort of political agenda when I talk about civilian death. I'm simply disgusted by the fact that so many civilians are dying. I can't help but think some of the reporters reporting these stories feel the same way.

You keep missing what I'm talking about when I say the BIG PICTURE. You look at civilian casualties that happen now because of the war, and I see all the death and torture that the war is currently preventing that happened on a far larger scale from day to day in Iraq, and all the death and torture that this war will save 10 years in the future.

Please don't accuse those that support the war of not caring about human life, we just see this war as a boon for human life in the long run in Iraq. You are letting yourself drop back into the "conservatives are evil" mindframe again and it strips you of a LOT of credibility.

[Dylflon]

Great, Strangler.

I'm not dropping into an anyone is evil frame of mind. Can't someone be pissed off about people dying and not have a political agenda?

And I'm sorry, you were so right! The big picture! This has been the most poorly operated military operation I have seen in my entire life. Are you people aware that Bush declared that the mission was accomplised just a littel overt a year ago? Yet people are still being killed. Civilians might I add.

Go ahead and think of your army as righteous for what they are doing. But most people think of them as the new crusaders and that's not a good thing. What the army is doing would be a lot more righteous if they weren't killing so many ****ing innocent people.

And most people here obviously don't care anything for the lives of Iraqis because when a story about families being killed in a wedding bombing is posted they laugh about it and support they're troops doing things like this.

This is just plain ****ed up. Right now I don't give a damn abotu politics. I care about the fact that the Iraqi people have been dehumanized to you. You don't care that they're dying.

BTW, did you read the whole article? About the video tapes of the wedding? Did you or did you decide to pretend you didn't when you said they were probably terrorists?

Do you know how sore you'd be about things like this if it were your country being invaded? Think about that. What if it were you? You know what you'd do when it was over? Attack back.

That's what Iraq will more than likely do. Your big picture is bull****. This is a war about securing American interests in the Middle East. They have things America wants. That's why they're there. If there was some sort of ruthless dictator killing people in Ethiopia, America wouldn't do anything about it.

Americans need to stop wrapping these tradegies in "good intentions", jesus and the american flag. You accuse reporters of not knowing whats happening there when they're reporting things there. They've been there. You haven't. So don't go thinking you know more than they do. All you have is assumptions. They have first hand experience.

[DeathsHand]

I get confused on the whole Iraq issue, because yes we're killing some innocent people etc, but yes Saddam has killed many more blah blah...

But the thing is, we didn't go in there because Saddam killed his people (some guy bursts in saying "Yeah we went in there for oil! NO BLOOD FOR OIL!"), we went in there because they thought Iraq was a threat... Not to his own people, but to us, our allies, or the stability of the region... whatever...

Then when they find no weapons and people raise questions, the administration changes what they say to be "SADDAM KILLED A TON OF HIS OWN PEOPLE!" which kinda turns the table and makes people who say we shouldn't have gone in in the first place look evil...

Not to mention back when Bush was "Presidential hopefull" or nominee or what have you, he said stuff like "I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation building"...

and "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say this is the way it's got to be. ...I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country and say, we do it this way, so should you."

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Great, Strangler.

I'm not dropping into an anyone is evil frame of mind. Can't someone be pissed off about people dying and not have a political agenda?

And I'm sorry, you were so right! The big picture! This has been the most poorly operated military operation I have seen in my entire life. Are you people aware that Bush declared that the mission was accomplised just a littel overt a year ago? Yet people are still being killed. Civilians might I add.

Go ahead and think of your army as righteous for what they are doing. But most people think of them as the new crusaders and that's not a good thing. What the army is doing would be a lot more righteous if they weren't killing so many ****ing innocent people.

And most people here obviously don't care anything for the lives of Iraqis because when a story about families being killed in a wedding bombing is posted they laugh about it and support they're troops doing things like this.

This is just plain ****ed up. Right now I don't give a damn abotu politics. I care about the fact that the Iraqi people have been dehumanized to you. You don't care that they're dying.

Way to completely ignore EVERYTHING I posted earlier and just keep on rambling while putting words in my mouth. Brilliant.

BTW, did you read the whole article? About the video tapes of the wedding? Did you or did you decide to pretend you didn't when you said they were probably terrorists?

Did I ever claim that they were terrorists? No. I said they were civilian casualties, and they happen. WW2 is the most important event in world history, IMO, and the amount of civilian casualties in Iraq PALES in comparison. Entire cities were LEVELED and bombed indescriminantly. Do you believe that war was an abomination like the Iraqi war, or do the MILLIONS of lives that it saved justify the methods used? Like I said, look at the BIG PICTURE. You are letting current events and the media pull at your heart strings and abandon logic and historical precedence.

Do you know how sore you'd be about things like this if it were your country being invaded? Think about that. What if it were you? You know what you'd do when it was over? Attack back.

Yeah, except most of the people fighting AREN'T IRAQI'S. They are Iranian, Syrian and even Saudi Arabian insurgents.

That's what Iraq will more than likely do. Your big picture is bull****. This is a war about securing American interests in the Middle East. They have things America wants. That's why they're there. If there was some sort of ruthless dictator killing people in Ethiopia, America wouldn't do anything about it.

LOL!!! Remember that whole thing in Somalia? They even made a movie about it. It was pretty good if I remember and even won some awards. Oh yeah, and there was Bosnia too. Do you know what you're talking about at all?

Americans need to stop wrapping these tradegies in "good intentions", jesus and the american flag.

Way to stereotype all Americans. Have I ever said one thing about Jesus or the American flag? Nope. But I'm sure you've already stereotyped me as well. Good for you, thats not ignorant at all.

You accuse reporters of not knowing whats happening there when they're reporting things there. They've been there. You haven't. So don't go thinking you know more than they do. All you have is assumptions. They have first hand experience.

I don't deny that what the reporters are saying isn't true. I've accurately pointed out how what they report in biased and heavily focus's on the negative. There are hundreds of stories that have come from Iraq that are heartwarming and downright idealistic, but they rarely get any press. Why? Good news doesn't get ratings and also don't satisfy political agendas.

I use historical precedence to make my decisions, and when I see a ruthless dictator overthrown and democracy put in its place and the country is rebuilt, all I see historically is that absolutely wonderful things result.