42 problems with the Berg video

[Stonecutter]

Nobody is going to argue that Berg is dead, so the blood, to me, is a non issue.


What I find FAR more interesting is the fact that these guys clearly don't seem like Arabs.

It also seems to me that the man in the video was obviously not Zarqawi, which was certinaly intimated.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Nobody is going to argue that Berg is dead, so the blood, to me, is a non issue.


What I find FAR more interesting is the fact that these guys clearly don't seem like Arabs.

It also seems to me that the man in the video was obviously not Zarqawi, which was certinaly intimated.

I hope for the sake of your own mental health that you don't seriously believe that the US government might have had someone killed to take the heat off of some bad PR as a result of the Abu Graif pictures.

There is paranoid and then there is delusional.

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

There is paranoid and then there is delusional.

[Professor S]

Ah, an insult with no actual basis to back it up. I seem to get that a lot around here.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

theres been a lot of things done by the US government in the past that is questioned around the world, JFK, the landing on the moon, and others, this may end up sounding like the same thing in the future

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

theres been a lot of things done by the US government in the past that is questioned around the world, JFK, the landing on the moon, and others, this may end up sounding like the same thing in the future

Yes, much has been questioned but little has ever been proven. You can question a lot and keep questioning forever if all you have is speculation and a loose collection of "evidence".

But this is even less plausible than the grassy knoll or that the moon landing was staged. Think about it rationally. The US gets some bad press... BAD PRESS... from a series of photographs from Abu Graif, so they decide to hire some people from the movie industry to stage the murder, or actually MURDER an innocent person, film it, and then release it and blame it on terrorists to take emphasis off of the bad PR that will blow over in a month anyway.

Makes perfect sense to ME!! I'M LOGICAL!!! WHOOOOO!!!! ALL REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL AND THEY IMPLANTED CHIPS IN OUR HEADS WHILE WE WERE SLEEPING TO TRACK US AT ALL TIMES!!!

[gekko]

The people I watched the video with have seen countless humans get shot, get their heads blown off, get hit by a 25mm high-explosive round and turn to pink mist (), and none of them questioned the amount of blood.

And until I personally see a beheading, I'm not going to argue.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Yes, much has been questioned but little has ever been proven. You can question a lot and keep questioning forever if all you have is speculation and a loose collection of "evidence".

But this is even less plausible than the grassy knoll or that the moon landing was staged. Think about it rationally. The US gets some bad press... BAD PRESS... from a series of photographs from Abu Graif, so they decide to hire some people from the movie industry to stage the murder, or actually MURDER an innocent person, film it, and then release it and blame it on terrorists to take emphasis off of the bad PR that will blow over in a month anyway.

Makes perfect sense to ME!! I'M LOGICAL!!! WHOOOOO!!!! ALL REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL AND THEY IMPLANTED CHIPS IN OUR HEADS WHILE WE WERE SLEEPING TO TRACK US AT ALL TIMES!!!

w/e you say, on top of what i posted, i also the the timing's just a bit of a coincidence, but thats just my paranoid mind...

i just stated a connection between this and other events that have happened in the past, theres no sense in trying to argue or ridicule me....besides, i am by no means the only person who doesn't 100% trust the US government...hell, i don't fully trust anyone who controls, my life, i don't think thats paranoia, i think its realistic thinking

[Seth]

Berg's dad.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...221644,00.html

Michael Berg
Friday May 21, 2004
The Guardian

My son, Nick, was my teacher and my hero. He was the kindest, gentlest man I know; no, the kindest, gentlest human being I have ever known. He quit the Boy Scouts of America because they wanted to teach him to fire a handgun. Nick, too, poured into me the strength I needed, and still need, to tell the world about him.

People ask me why I focus on putting the blame for my son's tragic and atrocious end on the Bush administration. They ask: "Don't you blame the five men who killed him?" I have answered that I blame them no more or less than the Bush administration, but I am wrong: I am sure, knowing my son, that somewhere during their association with him these men became aware of what an extraordinary man my son was. I take comfort that when they did the awful thing they did, they weren't quite as in to it as they might have been. I am sure that they came to admire him.

I am sure that the one who wielded the knife felt Nick's breath on his hand and knew that he had a real human being there. I am sure that the others looked into my son's eyes and got at least a glimmer of what the rest of the world sees. And I am sure that these murderers, for just a brief moment, did not like what they were doing.

George Bush never looked into my son's eyes. George Bush doesn't know my son, and he is the worse for it. George Bush, though a father himself, cannot feel my pain, or that of my family, or of the world that grieves for Nick, because he is a policymaker, and he doesn't have to bear the consequences of his acts. George Bush can see neither the heart of Nick nor that of the American people, let alone that of the Iraqi people his policies are killing daily.

Donald Rumsfeld said that he took responsibility for the sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners. How could he take that responsibility when there was no consequence? Nick took the consequences.

Even more than those murderers who took my son's life, I can't stand those who sit and make policies to end lives and break the lives of the still living.

Nick was not in the military, but he had the discipline and dedication of a soldier. Nick Berg was in Iraq to help the people without any expectation of personal gain. He was only one man, but through his death he has become many. The truly unselfish spirit of giving your all to do what you know in your own heart is right even when you know it may be dangerous; this spirit has spread among the people who knew Nick, and that group has spread and is spreading all over the world.

So what were we to do when we in America were attacked on September 11, that infamous day? I say we should have done then what we never did before: stop speaking to the people we labelled our enemies and start listening to them. Stop giving preconditions to our peaceful coexistence on this small planet, and start honouring and respecting every human's need to live free and autonomously, to truly respect the sovereignty of every state. To stop making up rules by which others must live and then separate rules for ourselves.

George Bush's ineffective leadership is a weapon of mass destruction, and it has allowed a chain reaction of events that led to the unlawful detention of my son which immersed him in a world of escalated violence. Were it not for Nick's detention, I would have had him in my arms again. That detention held him in Iraq not only until the atrocities that led to the siege of Fallujah, but also the revelation of the atrocities committed in the jails in Iraq, in retaliation for which my son's wonderful life was put to an end.

My son's work still goes on. Where there was one peacemaker before, I now see and have heard from thousands of peacemakers. Nick was a man who acted on his beliefs. We, the people of this world, now need to act on our beliefs. We need to let the evildoers on both sides of the Atlantic know that we are fed up with war. We are fed up with the killing and bombing and maiming of innocent people. We are fed up with the lies. Yes, we are fed up with the suicide bombers, and with the failure of the Israelis and Palestinians to find a way to stop killing each other. We are fed up with negotiations and peace conferences that are entered into on both sides with preset conditions that preclude the outcome of peace. We want world peace now.

Many have offered to pray for Nick and my family. I appreciate their thoughts, but I ask them to include in their prayers a prayer for peace. And I ask them to do more than pray. I ask them to demand peace now.

[Stonecutter]

That's awesome, it's too bad it's ignored by US media, it should have been on the front page of every major US newspaper on friday, but alas....