US Media Makes Me Ill

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

I would if the media wasn't constantly shaping the opinions of the general population.

That's what I can't stand about the Media too... they shape fals opinions of the general population. When I see some BS on like that I just turn it off, I can't even watch it anymore. I when they drag on and on about certain subjects that are irrelevant then don't give things that matter the time of day.

[Typhoid]

The Strangler...NHF...but i got a totally different thing from what Nitram said. I took it as they have religious differences and wouldnt agree anyways...i dont agree with the dictator ship thing, and can only hope he was trying to be funny..But i agree that the dont and never will get along. The have different beliefs, and are constantly being brought up/raised in the same ways as the past.

Maybe all the Shiites really need is a McDonalds...give them a taste of the western civilization..hoo hoo hoooo..zing

[Jason1]

Okay my views:

What our soldiers did to them obviously violates the Geneva Convention and shouldnt have happened. Did it surprise me? HELL NO. But it still shouldnt have happened. We're suppoused to be better than that. We dont do those kinds of things. At the same time, I dont theink the soldiers that did it should be punished as much as some might say. I mean if I saw one of them bastards kill one of my friends, I dont know what Id do.

[gekko]

Just a quick note, at the moment, I have no access to a TV, and limited access to the internet. I don't get to see much of the news, but from what I've seen...

This is just a political mess. Oh no, an Iraqi had some wires strapped to his hand, God forbid. Unless they actually shocked the guy, they did nothing wrong. Are we honestly going to count-martial soldiers on the account of scaring the enemy? Maybe next time our MPs shouldn't be allowed to point weapons at the enemy, just in case they get scared and think they are going to be shot. You know, why even carry weapons?

And some naked Iraqi with a female around. You know, in the Arabic culture, that is really degrading. Then again, he has a sandbag over his head, he can't anyway.

Someone needs to chew their ass for being stupid enough to take pictures. As for the court-martial, yes, send them to court-martial, tell the media they're being sent to the brig, and the next day get them back on the job. Their only crime was stupidity, and that's a stretch, even for Article 134.

[Jonbo298]

When you send youg men to a foreign country, you know 100% there are going to be complete idiots. They think that "oh we can do whatever we want because we are Americans and because I'm in the military and think no one will care on what I do".

But if they violated laws, prosecute their asses and get them the hell out of the country. I dont care what country you are, but if your troops violate international laws, you deserve to get bit in the ass.

Strangler, do you ever make a post thats less then 2 paragraphs long?

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I thought it was spelled Shiite

Chiite is in french, I mix it up often, just like Irak is spelled Iraq in french.

And Strangler, you talk like you know the absolute truth, who knows if that information is 100% accurate or not. Why wouldn't that be some propaganda, as much as what the US media are doing with that prisonner story?

Originally Posted by Strangler

While I don't agree with what the US did to encourage the rebellion, are you really implyin that its the US's fault there have been 400,000 bodies found in mass graves in Iraq so far? If thats the case, is there ANYTHING that isn't the US's fault in the world? If we don't do anything, we are criticized (see North Korea), and if we actually try and do something, we get it even worse. Such is the life of the world's most powerful nation. Nationalistic penis envy can be a terrible thing.

Did I say it was your fault? No! But your constant implication in foreign countries certainly don't help, as we can see right now. And don't give me that "the world doesn't know what it wants the US to do, they're never happy" crap. As if you listen to the world anyways. You do what you want when you want and that's it. People bring north korea on the table, not because they want you to do something about it, but as an argument to why the invasion in Irak is not justified.

This is just a political mess. Oh no, an Iraqi had some wires strapped to his hand, God forbid. Unless they actually shocked the guy, they did nothing wrong.

Talk about banalazing something.

I heard on the news that they were also sodomizing them with broom sticks, but that's not wrong either, right?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Nitram

Did I say it was your fault? No!

Yeah, but you may as well have come out and said it.

But your constant implication in foreign countries certainly don't help, as we can see right now. And don't give me that "the world doesn't know what it wants the US to do, they're never happy" crap. As if you listen to the world anyways. You do what you want when you want and that's it. People bring north korea on the table, not because they want you to do something about it, but as an argument to why the invasion in Irak is not justified.

Are you kidding me? The US has cow-towed to the UN for years, playing the old guard's 800 pound Gorilla only getting militarily involved whenever the UN saw fit. The US had the BEG the UN to get involved in Kosovo while tens of thousands of Muslims were being euthenized right next door to Europe. Somalia was a UN effort as was the first Gulf War.

Now the US finally does something it feels it should do, waiting YEARS for the UN to wake up to the fact that Iraq was in FLAGRANT violation of MULTIPLE resolutions, instead of waiting around for the UN to say its OK whenever they felt like it (which they never would since they were making BILLIONS from Iraq while their people suffered and died), and the US is basically condemned for doing so. I'm sorry, but we are a sovreign nation and not just the muscle that does whatever the UN wants us to do.

I don't think we should have to wait around while OTHER countries decide whats good for OUR country. Considering the cladestine nature of the "don't bother us, we won't bother you" deals that many European countries had with terrorist organizations and the billions being made off of the Oil for Food program, why should we consider what they think we should do to protect US?

I'm sorry if we did something that we felt we needed to do for our own best interests. I keep forgetting that until now that was only what every other country did, especially those in the UN.

But none of this is going to matter. People around the world will continue to hate America simply because we are Americans and are the most powerful nation in the world. We could sit by and do nothing, allow every two bit dictator persecute whomever they wanted, and we would be hated for being isolationist and uncaring, and you KNOW that would happen.

And for the record, if the US went ahead and minded their own business all the time as many believe we should do, you would all be saluting Hitler's grandson right now.

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But we have gotten WAY off topic. The point of this thread was to point out how the press and political structure has completely lost perspective as to what is going on over in the war. The very fact that humiliation gets precedence over REAL torture and murder of CIVILIANS is awful and inexcusable, and I really don't know how you can logically see it any other way.

[Hero2]

Since I dont know a damn thing about politics ill just put up a nice littel quote.

"countries have neither friends nor allies only intrests"(I cant remeber the real quote or who said it but you get the jist)

witch basicly states that every country is looking out for there own well being.

And it would be nice if the Media did have some respect for there country or some patriotism or at the verrrry least some common ****ing sence

[Crono]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

And for the record, if the US went ahead and minded their own business all the time as many believe we should do, you would all be saluting Hitler's grandson right now.

Heheh, either that or we'd (meaning everyone but the US) all be kissing the asses of Communists right now.

[Canyarion]

I don't know how much attention there is for it in the States, but nothing could be enough methinks...

Those people are sick. We western people pretend we're civilized but this shows how good we really are.

Oh, fire the guy responsible, PLEASE.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

But none of this is going to matter. People around the world will continue to hate America simply because we are Americans and are the most powerful nation in the world. We could sit by and do nothing, allow every two bit dictator persecute whomever they wanted, and we would be hated for being isolationist and uncaring, and you KNOW that would happen.

No.....most of the world hates you because of the "We should be the police force of the world" mentality most Americans have. Oh nO!!! heaven forbid an american soldier dies..my brother in law is in the English military in Iraq, and he saw his buddy get shot in the face...Was that a travesty or on the news? No...because hes not american. Strangler, the way you act most of the time is why most of the world hates america, taking things as if they are 100% truths. You said you dont like how the Media is doing this...your doing the same basic thing.

Most Americans feel that every little incident to do with war is their business, but the casualties are none of their faults. The war in Iraq was none Americas business, sure Saddam was...but not the rest. So what muslims are killing eachother, it doesnt mean you can bomb the crap out of them over speculation.

And Saddam doesnt have or never did have any Weapons of mass destruction....Bush does.

I've said this before and ill say it again, "War kills many, and produces nothing"

(And Strangler NHF)

[Crono]

What Strangler said in the paragraph you quoted (Typhoid) is true. People will always criticize America. Simply because they're jealous. This is a fact. Even I am jealous that America is the strongest and most influencial (sp) country in the world, and that Canada isn't. If Canada was in the same position that the US was, then everyone would hate us too.

The world is built on war. War is history. We would be nothing without war. I am not saying that War is good, but.. borders will change, people will die, and things will change. This is the world's fate until we kill ourselves over. Live with it. More of the reason to just not care. You don't live in Iraq, right? You're not Arab, right? Who cares? Just be glad you're in Canada, which is a country that is gauranteed to be protected by the US. That's the way I see life anyway.

[Rndm_Perfection]

I would put effort into debating against Typhoid, but since Strangler is obviously doing such a good job... to the point that it hurts to watch Typh get embarassed so, I will decide to limit what I say.


You're wrong.

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by gekko

Someone needs to chew their ass for being stupid enough to take pictures.

That is the exact same thing I thought the first time I heard of these things.

Originally Posted by gekko

Their only crime was stupidity

Actually, being American and coming in to bring fairness to all aspects of Iraqi life (Saddam tortured his prisoners) kind of makes you look bad if you're going to do something like this and the proceed to take pictures of it.

I never thought the Iraqis captured a chance to be treated fairly anyway. But what's really annoying is the persistence of all the channels, feeling that they need to show these pictures any and every time they get a chance. No wonder they call it the idiot box.

[Professor S]

Oh where to begin with this cherry of a post...

Originally Posted by Typhoid

No.....most of the world hates you because of the "We should be the police force of the world" mentality most Americans have. Oh nO!!! heaven forbid an american soldier dies..my brother in law is in the English military in Iraq, and he saw his buddy get shot in the face...Was that a travesty or on the news? No...because hes not american.

Um, how many individual examples of Americans dying do YOU see in the news? Hardly any, unless they played pro football. We get a number at the end of every day, just like you. I am even offended for you to even begin quoting casualties when your nation has NONE. How many bodies are being sent home draped in Canadian flags? How many friends do you have that are in the military and are currently overseas? Where do you get off quoting ANYTHING having to do with body counts? (By the way, I like Canada and I know there are many Canadians that support the US, and I appreciate all of them.)

And speaking as an American, I can say that I respect the English to the highest degree and they are excellent allies and warriors.

Strangler, the way you act most of the time is why most of the world hates america, taking things as if they are 100% truths. You said you dont like how the Media is doing this...your doing the same basic thing.

Except I quote FACTS and debunk the MISTRUTHS and spin that is warping your brain. I pointed out the corruption in the Oil for Food program over a YEAR ago, and now suddenly it comes out and its basically IGNORED by the media.

You on the other hand spew out generalizations and heresay that you probably heard someone else blather without any qualification whatsoever.

Most Americans feel that every little incident to do with war is their business, but the casualties are none of their faults. The war in Iraq was none Americas business, sure Saddam was...but not the rest. So what muslims are killing eachother, it doesnt mean you can bomb the crap out of them over speculation.

I'm glad you feel free to speak for most Americans considering your Canadian, but thats neither here nor there.

12 years of UN resolution violations are not speculation, they are fact. That Iraq trained 9/11 and other terrorists as well as supplying funding for terrorist activities is not speculation, it is fact.

And you keep saying that we bombed the crap out of them, while anyone who paid attention to the war would know that the US made every effort to spare as many civilian facilities as possible, maintain the infrastructure of Bagdad as well as the other cities and avoid civilian casualties. Did you see any carpet bombing going on? Didn't think so.

But that doesn't matter to you because the fiction you've invented pertaining to the war takes precedence over what actually happened. It doesn't matter what the reality of the situation is or what the big picture is, you just want to hear what pats you on the back.

And Saddam doesnt have or never did have any Weapons of mass destruction....Bush does.

Bush has never used them... Saddam did on several occasions.

And by the way that it a perfect example of the gross generalizations you make that sound good but mean NOTHING.

I've said this before and ill say it again, "War kills many, and produces nothing"

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "War kills many and produced only freedom for African slaves, life for Jews during WW2 when they were being slaughtered, the halt and regression of fascist communism, independence of my own nation, etc, etc, etc."