These religious people are crazy.

[Typhoid]

...that blew my mind

[TheGame]

Im just pointing out that they say one thing is wrong because its not proven with a belief thats not proven either.

That depends on point of view... if you put your faith in science chances are you will take in theories from science before religion. If you put your faith in a religion, chances are you will take in theories from religion before science. If you believe in science, you are willing to go out and claim scientific theories are true (going as far as saying you know they are true) without seeing what you believe in for yourself. If you believe in God, chances are you are willing to go out and claim religious theories are true (going as far as saying you know they are true) without seeing what you believe in for yourself.

Interesting isn't it?

Have you ever thought of how many people there are in the world who know the world is round without going to outer space or traveling around the world themselves.

Just think about it.

[The Duggler]

For me faith = naivety. I don't get the concept of believing something just because other people do.

That depends on point of view... if you put your faith in science chances are you will take in theories from science before religion. If you put your faith in a religion, chances are you will take in theories from religion before science.

People don't have faith in science. They don't need to. There are proofs and theories based on facts that people can base their beliefs on. No need for blind acknowledgment like in religion. I don't say that all that comes from science is 100% accurate. But at lest they have something.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Nitram

For me faith = naivety. I don't get the concept of believing something just because other people do.

People don't have faith in science. They don't need to. There are proofs and theories based on facts that people can base their beliefs on. No need for blind acknowledgment like in religion. I don't say that all that comes from science is 100% accurate. But at lest they have something.

lol.. you need to listen to yourself.

Faith is the belief in somthing without questioning it, thus this thread will hurt my faith in certain areas, and yours in others.

Remember that the base subject of this thread is evolution, somthing no man has been alive long enough to witness take place for themselves (especially within thier own species), yet every man seems to have there own ideas about. If you had no faith, you wouldn't believe in anything anybody tells you until you tested it out or seen it for yourself... and if you have accepted anything scientific as fact you are just as naieve as any other person.

There are proofs and theories based on facts that people can base their beliefs on

*this reminds me of older threads*

Theories based off of facts? What makes something a "fact" besides your own personal acceptance of it as a fact? The only fact that anybody can ever prove is their own existence and emotions, period. Everything else is faith. If you would like I can dig up examples.

[TheGame]

Ok, and just to let you know this is a good reference point for where my arguement is headed... meaning there is a good chance it could get closed again.

[Canyarion]

I agree that science can't be proven. A 100 years ago, everbody thought that they had the proof of how things worked. They believed in it without question.
Now we find their science old-fashioned... we have new 'proofs'.

How can humanity say for sure how old the earth is? I'm not saying that the earth is only 6000 years old (the days in Genesis are symbolic days, each one could stand for let's say a billion years), but perhaps mankind doesn't live as long as scientists believe...

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Remember that the base subject of this thread is evolution, somthing no man has been alive long enough to witness take place for themselves.

To be fair, we have witnessed evolution. Dog breeding. Although this isn't natural evolution. It's more of a selective evolution. People pick the genes they want from certain dogs and breed them to have puppies with the best genes from the dogs they breed. This is how many new breeds of dogs have been made. Although so far the effects have mainly been appearance altering. But some breeds have changed physically (size, leg power, etc.).

Evolution is the passing on of genes that allow animals to survive the longest. Over time the animals change. Dog breeding is pretty much the same thing. Although dog breeding is selective so the genes that the breeders find to be the best are passed on.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Remember that the base subject of this thread is evolution, somthing no man has been alive long enough to witness take place for themselves (especially within thier own species)

That's why I put the bolded part in, I knew someone would give a reply like that. I don't think mixing different types of animals is any more evolution than mixing different types of people.

[Kitana85]

However, we have also noticed things not attributable to science... I know someonewho had Heppititus C... he and his wife and all thier friends prayed for years... a few weeks ago, he and his wife were getting ready to plan his funeral, as the complications weregetting very bad, he went in for medical testing, and there was no Hepititus in his blood stream at all. It was gone from his body. They've done a lot more tests, and though his body is still a mess from the side effects, the illness is gone... no doctors can explain it.

I do not put science before religion OR visa versa. I "KNOW" the world is round, I "KNOW" there is a God. I have proof of evolution, therefore, I belive in evolution. I have experienced God, therefore I belive in God.

[Joeiss]

Believing in Jesus is the one path to Heaven.

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by TheGame

That's why I put the bolded part in, I knew someone would give a reply like that. I don't think mixing different types of animals is any more evolution than mixing different types of people.

I see what you're saying, but technically it is evolution. Every time someone breeds it's evolution. It's passing on your best genes. Evolution is happening to humans right now. You can't deny that we pass our genes on.

[Yugi Starwind]

Okay, even though i am a christian, even that's pretty crazy. I'm not gonna start plaaying mageknight(yes, it's a D&D style game) and one day, suddenly be drafted for supernatural combat against golems and necromancers with myself as some kind of black mage or knight. IMHO, those super-religious people are nuts.(sorry if that insulted anyone) I'll stand with my beliefs..

[Dylflon]

The guy who's page I'm linking to is a freaking nutball as well.

http://www.spies.com/~gus/ran/0012/antiporn/

[Yugi Starwind]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

The guy who's page I'm linking to is a freaking nutball as well.

Amen, brotha. No pun intended

[Dylflon]

Did anyone notice that the anti-porn guy didn't say masturbation should be illegal?