The Passion of Jesus Christ

Professor S · 01-28-2004, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitram

Isn't there that whole thing about the movie making the jews look bad or something?

Well if people were going to get upset about the movie then they should condemn the Bible as well. In the Bible it is Jews that betray him to his death. But you also have to realize that up to that point there were no Christians, only Jews and those that followed the old Roman religions. So while Jews did betray him, it was the Romans who persecuted and killed him.

You can't re-write the Bible for political correctness, so why should the movie about his life according to the Bible be re-written?

And for the record, I'm not Christian and I don't hold anything against Jews, in fact I'm one of Israel's biggest supporters.

The Bible is what it is, and so should the movie. As the Pope said: "It is as it was."

TheGame · 01-28-2004, 01:42 PM

+Rep Strangler

I think the movie should be interesting... I don't normally see any movies on the big screen unless it's a sequal to a movie I love. I don't know if I will see this one... chances are someone from church will buy me a ticket anyway

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 01-28-2004, 02:32 PM

not my type of mive...being an athiest and all.....but its intersting watching mel gibson discard all the controversy as if it were nothing. Although the movie may not interest me much, reprocussions of such events are always fun to watch

TheSlyMoogle · 01-28-2004, 03:03 PM

I can see a bunch of avid chuch goers getting into the movie, and then a bunch of the old ladies screaming and crying as they beat christ. "Oh my god, I'm so sorry for all that has been done to you Jesus!"

Um yeah count me out of that environment.

Joeiss · 01-28-2004, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

I can see a bunch of avid chuch goers getting into the movie, and then a bunch of the old ladies screaming and crying as they beat christ. "Oh my god, I'm so sorry for all that has been done to you Jesus!"

Um yeah count me out of that environment.

lol, ya there will probably be many old women holding their rosaries, lol.

But He had to go through all the beatings, then death. I mean, he did die for us after all.

GameMaster · 01-28-2004, 08:06 PM

I think it's too graphic for me.

Acebot44 · 01-28-2004, 08:20 PM

I'm seeing this for sure but I'm not looking forward to reading the subtitles

The Duggler · 01-29-2004, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

But He had to go through all the beatings, then death. I mean, he did die for us after all.

That's all fine and heroic and all, but what did it changed, or accomplished? Absolutly nothing.

Professor S · 01-29-2004, 11:59 AM

The pronlem with the Bible is not that it's "messed up" its that its parables are now quite outdated, yet modern Christian religions still attempt to take them literally.

The Bible's message is within the whole of the document, not in specific passages. Those that quote specific passages normally are using the religious text for their own ends and pervert its meaning.

They are moral lessons in which we should strive to live by, not absolute laws that lead to damnation or salvation. The crazy part is that Christianity started out using that ideaology, but has become far more strict and literal over the past 1,500 years.

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Originally Posted by Nitram

That's all fine and heroic and all, but what did it changed, or accomplished? Absolutly nothing.

So the birth of Christianity has had no effect on the world in the last 2,000 years?

...

*head explodes from the exposure to sure sheer absurdity*

Vampyr · 01-28-2004, 03:30 PM

Although Mel Gibson is quite possibly my favorite Actor ever, I dont think I will watch this. Its not my type of movie, and I consider myself a Christain. Its just not something I like to watch.

After it has been out for a while, and they show it on cable, THEN I will probably watch it. But Im not going to pay money to see it.

BlueFire · 01-29-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

not my type of mive...being an athiest and all

How would atheism have anything to do with watching this movie?

rottwylor · 01-29-2004, 04:55 PM

I believe that, originally, religion was more of a spirituality thing and was very necessary for the growth of man and civilization. That I agree with (also science too). It inspired people to have morals and (with Hell as a punishment) develope a concious. Unfortunately, I also believe that over time, church and religion became (to a point) pretty corrupt, and abusive of the power they had over followers. Religion became a trojan horse in politics, causing religious wars, sado-masochistic laws, witch hunts, etc. I don't really believe the bible is the word of God (although I believe in a God), but more to do with stories and ("news") articles that teach people to lead a better life, and full of stories to inspire and give us something to believe in. It bothers me that people pick and choose what parts to follow, and then taylor it to fit thier needs. If there is one lesson to learn from the bible, its: Love your neighbor and treat people how you want to be treated. In regards to the movie...I MIGHT rent it eventually... however, no matter how many times you rehash the story.. it's still the same, and I know the ending....also, Mel Gibson sucks

TheGame · 01-29-2004, 05:40 PM

rottwylor has a point... in his last post. Cept this part:

"I also believe that over time, church and religion became (to a point) pretty corrupt, and abusive of the power they had over followers. Religion became a trojan horse in politics, causing religious wars, sado-masochistic laws, witch hunts, etc."

You can't blame the book for man's tendancies just because man used it as justification... If you are a true christian you follow the words of Jesus, and if everybody honestly in there heart was trying to be like Jesus and followed his teachings no voilence would be justified.

The old testiment is good, but it's teachings as far as morals are irrelevant. One voice in the bible is important, and that who Christians are supposed to model themselves after. If his words have been edited, it would have had to be edited an AWFUL lot to justify violence.

rottwylor · 01-29-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

You can't blame the book for man's tendancies just because man used it as justification... If you are a true christian you follow the words of Jesus, and if everybody honestly in there heart was trying to be like Jesus and followed his teachings no voilence would be justified.

The old testiment is good, but it's teachings as far as morals are irrelevant. One voice in the bible is important, and that who Christians are supposed to model themselves after. If his words have been edited, it would have had to be edited an AWFUL lot to justify violence.

I honestly don't know if you understood me or not. I wasn't blaming the bible.. I was putting blame on religion and church, who happen to use the bible. And back then, people were so afraid of being heathens and blamed for heresy, that they would have gone to war in the name of God and the bible. No one wanted to go against church and state when it came to religion, and if you did...watch your back. For the matter of words being edited out of the bible.. I don't think it was a matter of being edited. The bible was hand written for centuries, the printed press only came to be a couple hundred years ago. So when you take a book.. rewrite it by hand ( LONG ASS BOOK AT THAT)... and then have to make copies by hand... and do it again... and again... and again... for YEARS... some things tend to get lost. It's like that game where you get a group of people in a circle, and one person whispers a phrase in the persons ear next to him, and when it gets back, the phrase is somewhat skewed. Also, man is a biased creature and likes to cut corners. I think for all intents and purposes, the bible is a postive thing. I just don't think it's being used right. As far as true christians? DON'T get me started on that..ANYWAY... this is about the movie that I won't see... so enough serious talk. WHO WANTS TO SEE ALIEN V. PREDATOR!!!