Bush

[gekko]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Check the poll title.

It says "Would you vote for Bush?"

It does not say "Are you going to vote for Bush?"

Key word being would...

That's like asking me would I vote for Chirac. Hell no, but last time I checked, my opinion has no say in that communist land.

So when you get these polls that have 3:1 against Bush, and then he wins by a landslide, you realize something is wrong. Not saying he'll win by a landslide, but I haven't seen too many Canadians favor Bush, so the poll is stacked against him.

Given an economy beginning to go down hill, and the largest attack on this country since 1941. The real question is, What Would Gore Do? Flee to Canada

[Dylflon]

Fleeing to Canada is a good idea. We have good beer and beautiful women. It is a true land of oportunity.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Gekko

That's like asking me would I vote for Chirac. Hell no, but last time I checked, my opinion has no say in that communist land.

Yes. That's EXACTLY like what its asking. (that wasnt sarcasm, by the way.) Your opinion wouldnt have any say in the real world, but if someone got on here and made a poll of that, they would be asking WOULD you vote for him. Canadians might not be able to vote in the real world, but this poll is asking EVERYONE if they WOULD vote for Bush.

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Fleeing to Canada is a good idea. We have good beer and beautiful women. It is a true land of oportunity.

*Packs suitcase and runs North.*

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by gekko

Like I really care what you Canadians think, last time I checked, your opinion didn't matter in this country.

Yea!!! Canada SUCKX0rZ!!!!!!

erm I mean...no

just a simple no.

[DimHalo]

I went with yes for a couple of reasons. But it was a really tough decision (which is one of the reasons I will not be voting in the real election). My main reason was because I think that all this mess can only be mended but the person that has been orchestrating it from the beginning (finish what you begin), but I don't know all the politics of it so I am choosing not to put up a real strong argument.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by jeepnut's slave

I went with yes for a couple of reasons. But it was a really tough decision (which is one of the reasons I will not be voting in the real election). My main reason was because I think that all this mess can only be mended but the person that has been orchestrating it from the beginning (finish what you begin), but I don't know all the politics of it so I am choosing not to put up a real strong argument.

If I was old enough to vote, I would always vote. I would never just "not do it" becuase it was "too hard a decision." One reason I would always vote is that its a right given to us that people fight and die for every single day. Since its that important, Im going to vote. Its what makes democracy go round.

The second reason I would always vote, is so that I can complain if the guy I dont vote for wins and he does a bad job. So lets say you dont vote, then you have no right what-so-ever to complain. I like complaining, so Im going to vote so that I can complain.

So if I were you, I would just go vote for some guy running independently, that you know is going to loose. This way your not throwing away your right earned through the life of others, and you'll be able to complain in the end.

[DimHalo]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

If I was old enough to vote, I would always vote. I would never just "not do it" becuase it was "too hard a decision." One reason I would always vote is that its a right given to us that people fight and die for every single day. Since its that important, Im going to vote. Its what makes democracy go round.

The second reason I would always vote, is so that I can complain if the guy I dont vote for wins and he does a bad job. So lets say you dont vote, then you have no right what-so-ever to complain. I like complaining, so Im going to vote so that I can complain.

So if I were you, I would just go vote for some guy running independently, that you know is going to loose. This way your not throwing away your right earned through the life of others, and you'll be able to complain in the end.

but if i go and vote for someone that i know absolutely nothing about i am jeopardizing the right given to me because i am expected to make good decisions with such things, if i make bad decisions it affects other people.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by jeepnut's slave

but if i go and vote for someone that i know absolutely nothing about i am jeopardizing the right given to me because i am expected to make good decisions with such things, if i make bad decisions it affects other people.

True. But if you pick the guy you know is going to loose, its not always a bad decision. You could truthfully believe that he is the best man (or woman) for the job.

[Kitana85]

Okay, here it goes...

For starters, I'm a Political Science major in college, so obviously, I pay a lot of attention to what is going on in the political arena.
I WOULD NOT EVER vote for Bush... however, I can't deal with Dean either. Dean is SUCH A FREAKING MODERATE!!!! I cannot understand why democrats would through their support behind someone so blatently moderate mascerading as a progressive. And indeed, that is what I would support, a truly proggresive candidate. My major fear about Dean is that, if elected, people would stop working toward progresssive goals, and afterwards, we would have to start again. If say, Clark was elected, as much as I'm not a fan of his, at least people acknoledge that he is a moderate, and would treat his administration as such.

If Bush is elected again, I will truly be scared for the less fortunate of America, those who cannot pull themselves up by their bootstraps because they are too poor to afford the bootstraps... and there is a growing number of those people...

The deficient is getting worse the percenteges not seen since Regean, and Bush's mean sof balenceing the budget simply don't make sense.

oh and PLEASE people, its LOSE, not LOOSE...

[gekko]

Originally Posted by Kitana85

oh and PLEASE people, its LOSE, not LOOSE...

What, you're an English major now too?

J/K. But really, political science? Ick.

[Hero2]

Im registered to vote but I dont think I will i havent seen ant good canidates. But I still dont want to vote for bush I dident like him to begin with. I hate politcs

[Professor S]

Dean is a moderate? Last time I checked he was a raving liberal. He might not be a socialist, but he's the LEAST moderate out of all the Democratic candidates. Also, the use of the word "progressive" is very relative in political terms.

As for me? I'll vote for Bush, but I'll be dreaming of "President McCain".

[Dylflon]

Rgiht wingers are hard to have discussions with. All they do is shoot down your opinions and try to cram their's down your throat and call you stupid for not agreeing with them...in my experience in talking with right wingers at least.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

i havent checked this thread since i made, it, but the fact is that who the president of the united states is happens to affect a lot of people in the world, especially canada, canada and U.S.A.'s economies are pretty closely bound, despite the fact that we're slowly dislodging from that, America's actions still have a profound effect on us, not to mention the fact that the majority of the news broadcasting is about what America is doing. And Gekko, if you want to look at it from that perspective, then tell me this, why aer we discussing this on a video game forum, it really doesn't matter, its just about opinions, regardless of wether those opinions matter, you'd be surprised how often peopel can't wait to let theirs out.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Rgiht wingers are hard to have discussions with. All they do is shoot down your opinions and try to cram their's down your throat and call you stupid for not agreeing with them...in my experience in talking with right wingers at least.

Thats because you damn liberals just won't listen...

I have never yelled at anyone or called anyone stupid who presented a well thought out and enlightened opinion on politics, be it liberal or conservative.

Unfortunately I don't find "Bush is a Moron", "Blood for Oil", "Daddy's War", "Iraq=Vietnam", "Republicans = Evil Empire", etc. to be enlightened or well thought out in the least.

Here's a tip: If you want to make a sensible argument against Bush, don't bring up the war. You won't win because no matter why we went in to Iraq, we ended up ending the reign of a homicidal maniac and probably saved a million lives in the process. You want to get at Bush? Concentrate on his domestic policies, not his foreign ones.

Example: The Medicare Bill. Highly suspect to say the least. Its still better than nothing, but its far from perfect and throws a lot of power in the hands of pharmaceutical companies. Now Pharm companies have historically been the more benevolent of large corporations, but the potential for abuse still remains. Plus there's some environmental issues to look at also with his legislation. Add to that his record as a staunch Christian who tends to try and legislate morals ina secular society.

Now I don't think that all of these things are necessarily bad, but they are valid areas of contention. If you look into them, you could get some serious ammo for your arguments against Bush.