*Confirmed* N5 Backwards Compatible

[Null]

Originally Posted by gekko

Sony could develop it so that the games save onto a different medium, but you're still stuck with the old **** because people have previous game saves that you have to support.

Sony doesn't have that problem, because they're too stupid to realize a modified 15 year old controller design isn't the best. I'm hoping they're smart enough to change it this generation, but they probably won't.

but you dont have the support previous game saves. if they save on a new game you can start over. no ones going to give a **** as long as you can play the game. i not understanding where you get that the previous saves need to be transfered over. i never used any old psx saves on my ps2.

and no, sony is SMART enough to realize they have the best controller and shouldnt mess with it, controller works perfectly for most any games. which is why its basically the standard now if you go and look for a PC game pad, they all look just like the PS2's. Nintendo should have been smart enough to not drastially change so much from the SNES controller.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Null

but you dont have the support previous game saves. if they save on a new game you can start over. no ones going to give a **** as long as you can play the game. i not understanding where you get that the previous saves need to be transfered over. i never used any old psx saves on my ps2.

and no, sony is SMART enough to realize they have the best controller and shouldnt mess with it, controller works perfectly for most any games. which is why its basically the standard now if you go and look for a PC game pad, they all look just like the PS2's. Nintendo should have been smart enough to not drastially change so much from the SNES controller.

Agreed. Why change something that's prefect? The PS2 controller is perfect, it works perfectly for any game. Why mess with it?

I would like it if I could use my old game saves on the new system, but if I cant, I wont be that dissapointed, as long as I can play them.

I dont know about you Gekko, but after so many systems, Im going to get tired of storing all my old one's so that I can play games. For example, when/if the playstation 5 comes out...are you really going to want to store 5 systems to play your old games? I dont think so. It would be so much better to have all 5 systems in one.

A lot less of a hassle to plug them all up, too.

[gekko]

The only thing Sony's controller is perfect for is THPS. It needs analog buttons, and move the d-pad where it belongs. Sony, say hello to the 21st century. We no longer use the d-pad for 99% of games.

And Null, you obviously missed the numerous gamers who had Xbox's with HD failures, and either sold the Xbox, or the game because they didn't want to start over. Many gamers, including myself, don't want to play the game, we want to play OUR game. A lot of today's games (at least with Xbox) are online, and not all the games put everyone on an equal playing field. Don't even think about competing in MotoGP or MotoGP 2 unless you max our your bike stats. Want the good weapons in Ghost Recon? Earn them. Want to race as the Speed 12 in Project Gotham Racing 2? Get all Platinum medals, and there's about 100 of them. No one who has earned all Platinums in PGR2 would ever touch the game with Xbox 2 if they couldn't transfer their saves.

And when PS5 comes out, in the maybe 1 time in 5 years I'll play a PSX game, I'll hook the system up.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by gekko

The only thing Sony's controller is perfect for is THPS. It needs analog buttons, and move the d-pad where it belongs. Sony, say hello to the 21st century. We no longer use the d-pad for 99% of games.

Actually, most of my friends that play video games prefer the D-pad. I prefer the d-pad myself in most occasions. Sometimes a game comes along that requires you to have a lot of maneuvarability, and in these cases I use the analog. But still, I wouldnt move the analog stick or the d-pad for anything. It feels good where its at. And besides, if they did want to move the location of the d-pad to make the analog stick more accessible, then that wouldnt be a problem. It would not affect backwards compatibility at all.

Originally Posted by Gekko

And when PS5 comes out, in the maybe 1 time in 5 years I'll play a PSX game, I'll hook the system up.

Maybe if you didnt have to hook it up, and it was as simple as putting a disk in, you would play it more than 1 time every 5 years.

[Null]

that was because they didnt want to start over on a CURRENT game, an old game is completely differnt. i dont play an old game to continue where i left off, by that time id of forgotten what was going on anyway. i play it to play the old game again. and yes, ppl who beat PGR2 would indeed start over 5 years from now if they wanted to play it once again. People are going to want to play it to remember it. in most cases by that time old saves get deleted anyway. no one cares man.

And your still only talking about ppl who already have the old console. theres many more who dont insome cases that want it. IF ITS NOT TOO EXPENSIVE TO ADD ON, IT HELPS THE CONSOLE. some it would cost way too much to do. on thoes it might not be worth it, as i've said.

and i hope to god sony is smart enough to realize not to move the d pad because it IS where it belongs, say hello to comfort Sony, we no longer need the main directional control at upper left. i LOVE that analog stick where it is, infact both of em are perfect. Its one of the most copied controller layouts and for good reason.

[gekko]

Most copied controller layouts?

Positioning of the 4 buttons, taken from SNES.
Position of the left analog stick - Hasn't been copied
Position of the right analog stick - Copied twice
Position of the shoulder buttons - Taken from SNES
Position of the Select/Start buttons - Copied from NES

The PSX controller itself is a modified SNES controller. The only thing that has been copied off of it is the placement of the right analog stick. Unless you're talking about making replicas (ie PC), but what do you expect? It's been the best selling system for the past 10 years. SNES controllers made their way to PC as well.

Now if someone was really clever, they would find a way to make the d-pad and analog stick switchable. Be able to pull it out and turn it around. But either way, the analog stick is the primary means of control for most games out these days, meaning it should be placed in the most natural position.

I just hope Sony doesn't listen to it's fans, because if they do, my god, you'll probably hear me praising Microsoft.

[Null]

Originally Posted by gekko

Positioning of the 4 buttons, taken from SNES.

check, one part copied.

Position of the left analog stick - Hasn't been copied

go look at PC controllers - check 2 parts copied.

Position of the right analog stick - Copied twice

check, 3 parts copied.

Position of the shoulder buttons - Taken from SNES

check 4 parts copied.

Position of the Select/Start buttons - Copied from NES

check, 5 parts copied.

Then add the 4 shoulder buttons copied, the sticks clicking in copied.

and let me repeat now... the most copied LAYOUT ever.

did i say sony invented it? never.

The PSX controller itself is a modified SNES controller. The only thing that has been copied off of it is the placement of the right analog stick. Unless you're talking about making replicas (ie PC), but what do you expect? It's been the best selling system for the past 10 years. SNES controllers made their way to PC as well.

proving once again the layout is well copied.

Now if someone was really clever, they would find a way to make the d-pad and analog stick switchable. Be able to pull it out and turn it around. But either way, the analog stick is the primary means of control for most games out these days, meaning it should be placed in the most natural position.

interesting idea, but it sounds more breakable that way. and i and most people find that left analog in the most comfortable position as it is. just because when you first picked it up and it didnt feel right and you never bothed to adjust doesnt mean its not good.

I just hope Sony doesn't listen to it's fans, because if they do, my god, you'll probably hear me praising Microsoft.

what would be the difference from now? and sony better listen to its fans because right now they have the most and they love the controller.

oh but wait. they could be like nintendo and tell you what you want instead of listening.