Sadaam Captured Alive

[Dylflon]

I agree Rndm. I was just abut to post the martyr thing. That wouldn't be good. He'd only survive about 10 years in prison. I think he should just rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life.


Strangler, if you want people to look at your side of the argument you should stop being so rude. You can't call someone else's idea stupid because you don't agree with it. I think some of the things you have said are stupid but you don't see me calling you or your ideas stupid. It's not fair to force your ideas on everyone and call other people's ideas stupid. That makes you seem very ignorant. Whether you are or not, i don't know. But I do know that you can't just thrust your ideas out there and act like they were written in the Bible or something. Putting people down isn't the proper way to get your point across.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

You know what I think is a bit weird? America sent troops into Iraq because they thought they "might have weapons" but North Korea announced that they had nukes and America isn't fighting any war there. The people of North Korea are suffering and being oppressed too.

Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction. Saddam used them against his own people. It's not a question of whether or not Saddam had them. It's a question of where they are. I would agree with you in that we should also go after North Korea, but that would result in huge casualties that the public would not support. And you can only go after so many tyrants at a time. You can help some people sometimes, but you can't help all the people all the time (altered Bob Marley quote)

[Ace195]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

4) Canadians and Others not Getting Contracts - It ain't the UN thats paying for this... its the Coalitions (mainly American too). So you should get OUR MONEY when you're government opposed the action to begin with? I believe the contracts should go to those who have stood by and bled with us in Iraq. Just call me crazy. The fact that you would even expect to get any large contracts from this is insulting and unbelieveably ignorant.

Besides, its all much ado about nothing. Canada, France Germany and Russia will still get contracts, they will just have to be sub-contracted by those who are in the coalition. Get over it.

5) Saddam's Capture - Great news, but I would have preferred they did him like his sons: Kill him and then send out pictures for confirmation. My worry is that if we try him in a court of law it will only serve to give him a soap box before he is found guilty and killed, or worse yet cause un-needed terrorist attacks or hostage situations. Anyway you shake it he's going to die, and everything else is just for show.

6) Iraq Another Vietnam - Oh do shut up. That statement just screams "I'm an idiot. Don't pay attention to me." The only similarity is that guerilla warfare is being employed. THATS IT. Believing that Iraq is another Vietnam is the same as saying the war is "blood for oil" or "conservatives are rascist/evil/baby rapists". It just frees you from the burden of having to think.

I stand behind everythign the strangler said here, I know I'm a little late but I was dealing with things in my own life atm.. Being that I'm in the army and have had friends killed in combat, I don't think those who were against fighting and dying beside us should get jack.. Thats all
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Dyflon I am allowed to be rude because I've made no point whatsoever so "You are the weakest link goodbye!"

[Dylflon]

If I could help rebuild Iraq, it wouldn't be for personal gains. I think a lot of Canadians who want to lend a helping hand are more concerned about the people than getting anything..

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

If I could help rebuild Iraq, it wouldn't be for personal gains. I think a lot of Canadians who want to lend a helping hand are more concerned about the people than getting anything..

As well do a lot of the American people; they either want to legitimately help out the Iraquis or just stay out of it. You seem to think that what the American politicans want is what the people want while what the Canadian people want is what the politicians want.

There may very well be a lot of Canadian people who sincerely want to help Iraq, but up top, its all money. Same here down south.


*shrugs and walks away*

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

If I could help rebuild Iraq, it wouldn't be for personal gains. I think a lot of Canadians who want to lend a helping hand are more concerned about the people than getting anything..

But it's not people who will do the majority of the "helping" it will be corporations. And corporations want money, that's how they stay in business. If the world were perfect everyone would lend a helping hand, but it's not. You have some points Dylflon, but most of them are extremely general and aren't really amounting to anything.

[DimHalo]

I just got an e-mail from my dad. His company was not the one that captured Sadaam and he won't be home for another 9 months. Here's a pic of his set up, not too bad huh?

[Dylflon]

I'm sorry that your dad won't be home for the holidays JS.

I think most of the soldiers should go home. They're just getting killed out there by angry civilians. It's time to let the soldiers return to their families.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Ah yes... there's a something that I forgot to make a point of in my previous post.

I'm surprised that so many are indifferent about the capture of Saddam, when it could be a great start to getting out of Iraq. I'm sure that's what most of you want. Also, the apprehension of Saddam is what much of the war was fought for. Let's not put to shame what our soldiers are fighting for in the Middle East.

[Bond]

More good news:

U.S. Snares Guerrilla Leader, 78 Others
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._re_mi_ea/iraq

France, Germany to Help Ease Iraq's Debt
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...m_baker_s_trip

France and Germany are probably doing this because most of their debt to Iraq is made up of weapons they sold to Saddam illegally. But that's not important...

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by thatmariolover

If they're so stupid, why don't you offer some better ones instead of flaming other peoples? It just seems like if mine are so bad you must have some damn good ones that you're comparing them to.

Mario, I have posted reason after reason after reason why I think this war happened in past threads. I'm not going to go re-research what you should have looked up yourself a long time ago before forming your simplistic theories, but I'll name a few off the top of my head:

1) 1.5 million Iraqi's dead by Saddam's hand.
2) 17 UN resolutions over 12 years condemning Iraq, while they did nothing to comply and the UN waffled as members of the Security Commission standed against conflict because they were owed BILLIONS by Saddam's regime.
3) 1,000 tons of chemical and biological weapons found in 1998 that are not accounted for.
4) Newly found proof that Saddam was tied to terrorism and trained those that were involved in 9/11 attack and made plans to ship weapons to Syria (see Daily Telegraph article that *shock* recieved little to no press from the US media)

But those are just my theories on why the war started and have nothing to do with intrenational law or God forbid, the FACTS.

Dyflon, I'm sorry if I come off rude, but I am sick and tired of people spouting off about things they know nothing about when the result of those opinions could cost thousands or even millions of lives if terrorists and despots like Saddam are allowed to do whatever they please. Ignorance is just annoying by itself, but when that ignorance can do so much damage it becomes sinful and abhorrent.

But thats just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[thatmariolover]

The major theme of argument I’m going to use here is, “why now”.

1) 1.5 million Iraqi’s dead? Where did you get this number? I’m not discrediting you, but the highest I could find from an official government source (or any) was here: http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/crimes/
It clearly states 340,000; which is definitely a huge number. But that was from 1980-1988. Not anytime recently. There’s no arguing that this guy needed to be nailed, but why all of the sudden?

2) That’s absolutely true. But how has that changed anything recently? It hasn’t.

3) There’s a lot more than 1,000 tons missing (http://armedservices.house.gov/press.../IraqiWMDs.pdf). But again, it’s been a while. I understand that we needed to go after this guy, but what was the urgency? Osama Bin Laden attacked us much more recently, and he suddenly took a back-seat to Saddam.

4) I’ve actually already reviewed that article, and it’s a great find. But we didn’t find this memo 9 months ago. We found it now. If we had found it 9 months ago, this would be a damn valid reason for having dropped (or shifted) the matter at hand (Bin Laden). But we didn’t, and it’s not.

Who are you to judge what I know? You know what I hate? People who think they know what’s best for everybody else; people who shove their beliefs down other people’s throats. Ignorance is a sin, yes. It is up to us to educate ourselves, but beyond that there’s so much more. Just because you know what is going on doesn’t make your plan of action right. There are so many different ways to deal with every situation. That’s why we have a democracy. Not a dictatorship. Saddam was a dictator; what are you?

Look, it's obvious that we aren't going to agree on this topic. So let's just agree to disagree. Enough with the debating.

[BigJustinW]

Go Bush!



All I know is, they should kill Saddam now... giving him a fair trial shows how weak the United States is. Too many lives were lost directly and indirectly because of this man. I wish I would have been the one to find him, he would have got a bullet in both knee caps before and pissed on before he would walk out of the room alive. This guy deserves to be in pain more than any person alive that I know.

US is supposed to be a powerhouse, but we act like little bitches. We should let those countries know that if they are gonna "F" with us they are going to be wiped off the face of the planet with no mercy whatsoever.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by BigJustinW

Go Bush!



All I know is, they should kill Saddam now... giving him a fair trial shows how weak the United States is. Too many lives were lost directly and indirectly because of this man. I wish I would have been the one to find him, he would have got a bullet in both knee caps before and pissed on before he would walk out of the room alive. This guy deserves to be in pain more than any person alive that I know.

US is supposed to be a powerhouse, but we act like little bitches. We should let those countries know that if they are gonna "F" with us they are going to be wiped off the face of the planet with no mercy whatsoever.

I very strongly disagree with that. During wartime, you do whatever you have to do to destroy the enemy. Using A-Bombs, Nukes, whatever it takes, you give it to them hard and fast and show them that no one F*cks with you.

But if you capture the main guy and have him in custody, you dont just kill him in cold blood. Dont get me wrong, Im not standing up for Saddam, I just think that taking him back to Iraq and giving him a fair trial is a good idea. It will be a big step in the creation of a democratic country in Iraq.

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by BigJustinW

Go Bush!



All I know is, they should kill Saddam now... giving him a fair trial shows how weak the United States is. Too many lives were lost directly and indirectly because of this man. I wish I would have been the one to find him, he would have got a bullet in both knee caps before and pissed on before he would walk out of the room alive. This guy deserves to be in pain more than any person alive that I know.

US is supposed to be a powerhouse, but we act like little bitches. We should let those countries know that if they are gonna "F" with us they are going to be wiped off the face of the planet with no mercy whatsoever.

So, by sinning, you are creating good?

I thought you were a harcore Christian man....