What's eating at Nintendo?

Yoda9864 · 11-17-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus1

N64 is a special system. Gamecube's lineup in general is better, but Gamecube has very few original games. N64 was a work of art. It had a lot of original titles and 2 games that can't possibly be left off of any 'top ten games of all time' list. Gamecube doesn't have an exclusive game that cracks the top 20, or an original game that can crack the top 50 imo.

IMO, it's hard to compare the N64 with GC. The N64 was jumping from 2d graphics to 3d graphics. Of course games are going to be revolutionary.

But now the GC is jumping from 3d to ..... more 3d. It's harder to create a game that creates that "wow" factor simply because it's all been done before. (well, not 'all', but you get the point)

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make an excuse for Nintendo, I'm just saying that it's a little harder to create those "wow" games in this generation (both for the PS2 and the Gamecube). And I think that, oh sh!t I gotta go to class, lol.

Blackmane · 11-18-2003, 12:45 AM

Holy crap, I guess Nintendo has to go 4-D now to satisfy whiney consumers about lack of innovation.

That's the only way to be as innovative as 2D--->3D, right?

Geez, people got the Gamecube expecting revolutions comparable to those great times where all games were opened up to a new freedom of gameplay. We may not ever have another gaming revolution like that in gaming future (until virtual reality

) I love the games I have for Gamecube, but I understand that getting the same feeling from Mario Sunshine as I did from Mario 64, the first 3D game I ever played, is nigh impossible.

Clone_GCC · 12-04-2003, 07:38 PM

you know what the problem is?

nintendo served you some of the greatest games ever for its GENERATION so it could get a bigger fan base.
This time around Nintendo still offers you incredible games with great innovations and outstanding 3d graphics which undoubtably surpase the n64 in almost every way.

But the only reason you cant realise this is because your expectations are way too high. maybe its because of all the nintendo vs sony arguements back in the day which lead you to beleive that nintendo is some godly company which will surpass all its rivals.
Maybe thats because you were all alot mre younger wen the n64 was released and it clouded the fact that Nintendo is just another NORMAL company in compitition with 2 other NORMAL companies.

Nintendo is just like sony, they have a console with games which they plan to sell, they are just a company there is no "nintendo magic", just good games and if people cant realise this because they're heads are still up in the clouds since they were kids. Then maybe you wont realise that nintendo is just another company trying to sell there console and this fact is even more evident this generation when Nintendo is up against 2 other companies.

All new games! but they are just the same quality as you could find on another console, just like the n64.
Im not complaining, i love nintendo and there games but some people are way too hng up on the idea that nintendo is a godly company with "ninetdno magic" that'll make any 1st party game incredible. Dream on.

I hope that makes sense

Jonbo298 · 12-04-2003, 08:05 PM

2 normal companies Ninty is competing with?! 1 company is a monopoly and the other has the stranglehold on the electronics and console hardware business. I'm not ranting or anything, but just pointing out something "off/odd" I saw.

DeathsHand · 12-04-2003, 08:05 PM

This stranger is right...

Nintendo is just a game company... They make good games, but there is no 'Nintendo Magic'... You guys gotta just get over all this hype and nostalgia and see Nintendo for what it really is... Not as a magical company that is destined to turn out hit after hit after hit, but as a company that's gone downhill since SNES...

But not really downhill, since the quality of their games has always been the same... Because it's not possible for a company to really go downhill...

Canyarion · 12-05-2003, 06:57 AM

Has the quality of their games been the same? Look at the games for the Cube, half of them are 'average' games. While on the N64, perhaps 1/4 were average.

I'll make a thread about it soon.

Morpheus1 · 12-06-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Canyarion

Has the quality of their games been the same? Look at the games for the Cube, half of them are 'average' games. While on the N64, perhaps 1/4 were average.

I'll make a thread about it soon.

and 3/4 of Nintendo 64's games were either exclusive or had exclusive visuals and features that boosted it above Psx, while less than 1/4 of Cube's great games fit the same criteria in the face of competition. Nintendo didn't get worse over the last 10 years, the competition just got better. The Nintendo Difference with N64 was it's superior hardware and exclusive content. Now they have good exclusive content, but it's not a generation ahead of the the competing companies. That is why I say that the key is the impact the system has made on the industry.

GC>N64>SNES>NES as far as games go, but some still say SNES is better than N64, or NES is better than SNES, why? Because the impact it made at it's time was much bigger. If Superman 64 was released on SNES or NES (looking and playing just like on N64), it would be on many top 100 games of all-time lists. Not because it was better then what came after it, or because it's the best 3d game ever, but because of the impact it would have made had it been released at that time.

So, Xantar, you are right, side by side it's no contest, Gamecube is better. But Gamecube isn't more revolutionary, and isn't better compared to the other gaming companies. Would you rank Gamecube higher on a greatest console of all-time list? Gamecube isn't even better than Xbox or Ps2 head up.

rottwylor · 01-06-2004, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Clone_GCC

All new games! but they are just the same quality as you could find on another console, just like the n64.
Im not complaining, i love nintendo and there games but some people are way too hng up on the idea that nintendo is a godly company with "ninetdno magic" that'll make any 1st party game incredible. Dream on.

I agree, I think a lot of the issues stem from the fact that we are constantly wanting bigger and better. I love my gamecube more than my N64.. and I loved my N64 more than my SNES..and SNES more than NES... I think the games I have purchased for the GC are far more superior than N64 and more enjoyable visualy.... ok.. my a.d.d. just kicked in and I forgot where I was going with this. I just know I agree with the above quote...