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[PureEvil]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

Awesome ad. AWESOME.

I don't understand smokers...I mean, there is an addiction and it's hard to fight...but hell...YOU'RE GOING TO DIE. DIE DIE DIE. Seems like an easy choice despite the intangibles...

We're all gonna die, Stu...

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by PureEvil

We're all gonna die, Stu...

really? huh...well I'll be damned

you know what I meant

[PureEvil]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

really? huh...well I'll be damned

you know what I meant

Well, sort of. Sure lots and lots of people smoke and end up dying from it, but lots and lots of people smoke and don't end up dying from it, so it's kind of untrue to say that if you smoke you're going to die from some cause related to smoking.

Plus, you might smoke and die in a traffic accident or something before cancer ever gets a hold of you. Then there's the point that just because you smoke doesn't mean you're going to live a shorter life than anyone else. Plenty of people get hit by cars, and shot, and everything else every single day (Which is what I meant).

Smoking might put something of a cap on your life expectancy, but there are many, many other things looking to take you out way before you ever get to that stage.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by PureEvil

Well, sort of. Sure lots and lots of people smoke and end up dying from it, but lots and lots of people smoke and don't end up dying from it, so it's kind of untrue to say that if you smoke you're going to die from some cause related to smoking.

Plus, you might smoke and die in a traffic accident or something before cancer ever gets a hold of you. Then there's the point that just because you smoke doesn't mean you're going to live a shorter life than anyone else. Plenty of people get hit by cars, and shot, and everything else every single day (Which is what I meant).

Smoking might put something of a cap on your life expectancy, but there are many, many other things looking to take you out way before you ever get to that stage.

I agree with you 100%. But the chances of getting cancer for chain smokers is extremely high...

And there ARE many ways for a person to die...lung cancer is one of those things, and it's the one thing people can choose not to get. That was my point. The whole idea of CHOICE in a situation where sooo many people have died and no doubt WILL die from smoking just makes little sense to me. VERY little.

[DimHalo]

Nice ad... don't feel like looking for more.

As far as smoking goes, its just gross. That's my personal choice.

[Canyarion]

Too bad it always starts because kids wanna act cool.

And it's a fact that you live shorter and unhealthier when you smoke.

Today it was TERRIBLE. In the train somebody was smoking (while it was a smokefree train), I looked around but couldn't see who it was.
Later I stepped in another train and there was someone standing in the door smoking. So I said 'Hey man you're not allowed to smoke here' and he was like 'so?'
I usually say something when I see things like that happen... but I don't wanna get in trouble...

[PureEvil]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

I usually say something when I see things like that happen... but I don't wanna get in trouble...

By "in trouble" do you mean "beat up"?

[Happydude]

Originally Posted by PureEvil

By "in trouble" do you mean "beat up"?

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

I agree with you 100%. But the chances of getting cancer for chain smokers is extremely high...

And there ARE many ways for a person to die...lung cancer is one of those things, and it's the one thing people can choose not to get. That was my point. The whole idea of CHOICE in a situation where sooo many people have died and no doubt WILL die from smoking just makes little sense to me. VERY little.

I agree, but unfortunately people who become addicted probably don't see the sense in quitting due to the fact that they think that it won't happen to them. As in getting Lung cancer and stuff.

They kinda have a point because they could die of something more insulting (like a plane crash or car accident).

It's not just the health issues though, it's the cost of buying smokes, and the time it takes to smoke that can be a negative. BTW i don't smoke.

[GameKinG]

They should bring back the hole-in-throat woman ad. That was very effective, IMO.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by PureEvil

Well, sort of. Sure lots and lots of people smoke and end up dying from it, but lots and lots of people smoke and don't end up dying from it, so it's kind of untrue to say that if you smoke you're going to die from some cause related to smoking.

Plus, you might smoke and die in a traffic accident or something before cancer ever gets a hold of you. Then there's the point that just because you smoke doesn't mean you're going to live a shorter life than anyone else. Plenty of people get hit by cars, and shot, and everything else every single day (Which is what I meant).

Smoking might put something of a cap on your life expectancy, but there are many, many other things looking to take you out way before you ever get to that stage.

Heh, well if it isn't PureEvil arguing for Hell's sake. Was that little speach trying to justify smoking, or disprove Stu? Whichever the case, smoking has been proven to contain deadly toxins, and there have been many cases of death caused by smoking.

Stu plainly pointed out that smoking is like playing Russian roulette with enough bullets to go around, and you tried justifying that someone could get a javaline through the back before they got their fair bullet to the head, meaning that they would not die due to the game (or smoking, according to the actual arguement in which no javalines were involved).

With all random elements aside, smoking can kill. The only way a person can smoke and claim that they won't die from it is to know the future of their demise, or have planned it him/herself.

...Moral of the story is - If you smoke, you give yourself one extra way to die. You could do everything right in the world, dodge bullets... avoid car wrecks, whatever is necessary and even impossible to stay alive, "death by smoking" will still be added to the stack.

Unless, of course, a javalineer sneaks up on you

[PureEvil]

Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Heh, well if it isn't PureEvil arguing for Hell's sake. Was that little speach trying to justify smoking, or disprove Stu?

Hmmm... A little bit from column A, and a little bit from column B.

I didn't say that smoking wasn't harmful. I didn't say that smoking won't kill you. What I said was that just because someone smokes doesn't mean they're going to die a smoke-related death, or even get a smoke-related disease.

They might, of course, but who's to say what will happen to any one of us at any given point in time?

Stu said, "I don't understand smokers...I mean, there is an addiction and it's hard to fight...but hell...YOU'RE GOING TO DIE. DIE DIE DIE. Seems like an easy choice despite the intangibles..."

And what I was saying in response is that they very well might not die as a result of smoking. Just because you smoke doesn't mean it's going to kill/otherwise affect you in any way.

Lots of people smoke and die from some smoke-related thing, but on the other hand, lots of people smoke and don't die from it. There are a lot of people who smoke and die from old age just like anyone else.

You said, "With all random elements aside, smoking can kill." Yes. I absolutely agree. But the key word in that sentence is can. It might not. Hell, for lots of people it doesn't. You can't guarantee that smoking will kill a person, and I can't guarantee that it won't.

As far as the whole "random elements" thing is concerned, you can't just push them aside. Life is full of random elements. You may be disregarding them for argument's sake, but in this discussion about life and death, randomness can't be ignored. It's just as important for the whole picture as everything else is.

"...Moral of the story is - If you smoke, you give yourself one extra way to die. You could do everything right in the world, dodge bullets... avoid car wrecks, whatever is necessary and even impossible to stay alive, "death by smoking" will still be added to the stack."

Here's what I said originally: "Smoking might put something of a cap on your life expectancy, but there are many, many other things looking to take you out way before you ever get to that stage."

What's the difference? We're just looking at it from different angles.

[Perfect Stu]

for the record, I agree with PE 100%, only the way we're using our words it's like he works in the Tobacco Industry and I'm a widower of a victim of lung cancer

From either standpoint, though, he is stating facts. It's a selective bias...quite effective