I saw the matrix-spoilers

[Professor S]

The Wachowski brothers were never subtle about using Neo as a Chirst figure. That was obvious from the first movie. Just because they beat you over the head with metaphor does not make this a good movie series.

Also saying that people did not like it simply because they didn't know what was going to happen is silly. A good movie SHOULDN'T let you know what was going to happen. I didn't like the movie because after the second installment I no longer CARED what was going to happen, for the following reason:

1) Poor character development. We're told that Neo and Trinity love one another, yet there was about as much heat between them as there is in the center of a snowball. Also, what do we even know about Trinity?

2) Poor acting. Keanu Reeves is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion. Thank God for Hugo Weaving's wonderfully over the top Agent Smith. He carries Keanu to s few tolerable scenes.

3) Horrendous Dialogue. Too many examples to show here. A main reason for the poor character devlopment. It was all plot with no story, and there is a difference.

4) Redundancy - They LOVE columns in rooms, and love blowing them up even more. It got old in the first one.

and the biigest flaw...

5) Pseudo Intellectualism. I found the exposition to be more tedious than enlightening. This was an excercise the Wachowski brother's intellectual ego's, and not actually intellectual.

The plot was good, but the execution of that plot was beyond bad.

[Null]

the movie and the series for that matter is FAR FAR FAR from perfection.

[Gamer]

Can someone explain to me why the hell all the smiths exploded? other than that i though the movie was good, except for it started a bit slow.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

when he took over neo's body, which was connected to the machines, the machines rewrote/deleted his program, and all the humans were unplugged, but the machines survived (a.k.a. the oracle, seraph, and the girl)

[The Duggler]

You people just don't get it. (except The Game and Random)

I loved it. I loved reloaded. And I loved The Matrix

The whole is perfect like random said. I couldn't give a **** what you people think.

Go watch Charlie's Angels or something.

[Null]

Originally Posted by Nitram

You people just don't get it. (except The Game and Random)

I loved it. I loved reloaded. And I loved The Matrix

The whole is perfect like random said. I couldn't give a **** what you people think.

Go watch Charlie's Angels or something.

yet oddly the ppl who like it are the ones that liked movies like charlies angles and underworld and **** like that. Matrix 3 has been getting some of the worst reviews across the board out of the entire year. the ppl who liked it are the ones siting how great the action is and blah blah. from a technical stand point. i havnt seen dialogue this bad since Star wars Ep 2.

The one person here who i can honestly say knows what he is talking about is Strangler. i dont know about the other movies he likes, but from hearing him talk about this one my 'first impression' is that he has a great taste in movies.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by Null

yet oddly the ppl who like it are the ones that liked movies like charlies angles and underworld and **** like that.

What the hell are you talking about?

I respect The Matrix, as it's religious embodiment was overshadowed by the intillectual conflicts that so many fanboys had troubled with. In the end, it was a very complex manipulation of religious tales.

Neo died for a reason, Crash. If Neo is comparable to "The One" of Christian belief, then he died rightly so.

The Matrix was a beautiful (err, well.. not at parts, heh) collaberation of science and religion. Yes, Science Fiction meets Religious (Fiction?). It was already known in the first two films how much the series had to do with religious tales. The whole cast of characters had names of religious importance... and Zion, of course, as well. When the series started, however, everyone was too interested in the new ideas; everyone was interested in the mind-numbing idea of having our minds in the captivity of an illusionary world. The Alice in Wonderland allusions made viewers feel like the real world was some magical, foreign land... and that is all.

What if, perhaps, it was not the Matrix and the real world being compared by the Alice and Wonderland allusions, but rather Science and Religion, or even our universe and the afterlife? It's possible.


Keanu Reeves had said in an interview that the brothers intended on making three movies when they made the first. They must've known what they were doing when they created the first movie... especially since you can see the Architect's TV screens right before Neo is interrogated by Smith.


The sequals were more than worthy, and more than worth my time. Charlies Angels, on the other hand, is "absolut" trash. And Underworld, I have not seen... haven't even heard much about it O_o. But, of what I've heard, a lot of people have become obsessed with Vampires and Werewolves. I accept their nonsense and dreaming, but the movie doesn't sound respectable.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

What the hell are you talking about?

I respect The Matrix, as it's religious embodiment was overshadowed by the intillectual conflicts that so many fanboys had troubled with. In the end, it was a very complex manipulation of religious tales.

Complex? More like muddled and obvious. It was like someone was beating me in the head with a wiffleball bat. I could see them doing it, but can't really feel it and I am left wondering why they are doing it at all.

In the end the Wachowski's had an excellent plot, but did not have the chops to put it together in an artful fashion, much like Underworld. Instead of taking some of the time from the overly long action sequences to build up their characters are allow the story to further the plot, they preferred to rely on effects and action to sell tickets and then proceed to "tell" you the story in long, convoluted monologues that attempted to exchange vocabulary for inspiration. The first rule in any creative field is that you should "show" your audience your inspiration, and not "tell" them. You can tell me that Neo and Trinity are in love, but you can't make me believe it by just telling me and you sure as hell can't make me care by having them kiss a lot.

In the end the Matrix 2 and 3 illustrated why some writer/directors NEED the support system that studios can provide. There was no one to keep them in check. The Wachowski brothers became lost in their own universe and with no one to bring them back, they only served to babble to their own egos.

If you like the this movie, thats fine. There are plenty of bad movies that a lot of people like. You may like this movie, but do not mistake it for good cinema and surely not art.

You want an incredibly well put together trilogy of epic films? Lord of the Rings. Peter Jackson is a friggin' genius. He mixes CG, forced perspective and splices together endless miniatures for one purpose... to SUPPORT THE STORY, not replace it. He understands that for us the audeince to care about the characters in the film, we must first get to know them. We must feel loss when they fall. This is why I like his extended versions of his first film much more than the theater edition. He spends more time developing the characters.

Someone asked what movies I like: well here are my favorites no particular order:

The Seven Samurai (Kurosawa was the greatest action director ever)
Ran (pronounced Raan)
Akira
Miller's Crossing
The Lord of the Rings Series
Braveheart
Raising Arizona
The Field
Yojimbo
Unforgiven
The Quiet Man
Hard Boiled
2001: A Space Odyssey
Nosfersatu (both the original and the Werner Herzog remake)
The Prophecy
They Live (best B movie EVER)
The Shining
Seconds
American Psycho
The Manchurian Candidate

I guess I could go on, but 20 is enough.

[Morpheus1]

Null, I don't like Charlie’s Angels and I have never heard of underworld, yet I love Matrix. It's not cool to make generalizations like that. [I won't mess with your Rep unless you mess with mine]

Rndm_Perfection, you make great points [+Rep]

The Strangler, you are full of it. If Matrix isn't art, what is? Matrix had huge special effects, but that doesn't take away from the story. Matrix was meant to satisfy the people who don't read too deep into movies, and the people who read way too deep into the meaning of a story. None of the movies on your list can touch Matrix in Action, because Matrix showed us things that we have never seen before and leaped beyond our imagination. You can't tell me you imagined the battle at Zion being done any better than it was. Then, under all the action, there is a story that makes you think harder than any of the movies on your list, and that has multiple meanings. I can't see how a fan of movies in general can not like this film, unless they are into chick-flicks (which you are not, because I like the majority of the movies on your list). [I won't mess with your Rep unless you mess with mine]

Yoda9864, I agree with you. I'm not into complete action movies that don't make you think. Matrix just happens to be a mix of the best action (imo), and a story that made me think harder than any movie in my life. What was seen in the Matrix can never, and will never be copied without being called a rip-off. [+Rep to you]

Neo, You are The One [+Rep]

[Professor S]

Yeah, I'm full of it. I concentrated in Film in college and have seen probably 50,000 films from around the world, so I must have no idea what I'm talking about.

Like I said, the Zion battle scene was amazing. With that I agree. I even said that the plot was excellent. But incredible special effects and a strong plot do not make for a great movie. You still have to execute the STORY and then piece everything together. Not to mention you need to get strong performances out of your actors to make you care about them. I don't blame the actors so much, though, as they weren't given much to work with in terms of dialogue. The dialogue in this movie reminds me of Sylvester Stallone in Cobra. Its that contrived.

I even stated that its ok to like theis movie, but do not pretend to think that it is good cinema. Its not. Its self-indulgent tripe that pulls more on the lebido than the heart.

The first movie was great, but the last two have degraded considerable with each release. Stop being defensive and see it for what it is.