I saw the matrix-spoilers

TheGame · 11-05-2003, 09:59 PM

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

Null · 11-05-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

said it before i saw actually. only from what i heard.... just got back from seeing it a bit ago. but my comments arent too far off.

as far as the 3rd completeing something. It completes the 2nd. i give it that. and its not that bad of doing it. But as far as the matrix story, it ends nothing. it solves nothing. They are, 'almost' in essence back where they started. its almost as if he did go thro the door and zion will have to be rebuilt, only now with the same people.

the 2nd and 3rd dont have the 'feel' the matrix had in the first. which is understandable, because they built neo up to be so unstoppable in the first. they had to find crazy ways to make him get challenged.

2 and 3, expacially 2, feel more like thier own movies, then a continuation of the story. i think 3 helped, and i right now believe i liked 3 better then 2. But neither come close to the feel of the first.

Me personally i woulda liked to see them truly end it. and maybe of added a couple more twists. (i knew it wasnt going to be a matrix in a matrix because that theory became so overly used and obvious)

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-05-2003, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Null

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.

Crash · 11-06-2003, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.

yep exactly, and i didn't hate the movie, i hate that my questions weren't answered. i loved the movie, and will see it 2-3 more times this november/december. just know that they aren't doing another movie makes me crazy!!!!!! the only reason they kept the matrix alive is so they could keep making more money off it by releasing info bit by bit and milking every dime outta it in the form of books, movies, short flicks and video games... they basically are forcing me to begin playing matrix online when it comes out.... curse them, that is what i hate. (love hate relationship)

lets take a look at themes in the movies... running through all three movies are choice, but mostly in the first one, the second movie is about purpose, and the third movie is about ________? also i did the fact that i dont understand the name of the movie until i watch the movie, who said this, revolutions not as in a revolt (like revolutionary war) but in revolving cycle...

Blackmane · 11-06-2003, 02:11 AM

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?

ominub · 11-06-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackmane

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?

yes smith took over everything thats why the machines went along with neo's deal

Professor S · 11-06-2003, 08:15 AM

I hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hatd=ed hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Yes, the incredible special effects and the battle at the docks was great, but other than that it was total garbage, and I mean TOTAL garbage.

How even the Wachowski brothers could watch this movie and feel it was worth putting in theaters blows my mind. It is self-important melodrama in its most ugly form. And the worst part is you get the idea that the brothers actually think that they are making an important film with some sort of meaning while you watch this crap. You want examples? See below:

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1) Trinity Dies - Her death scene is so drawn out and tedious that someone screamed "JUST DIE ALREADY!" in the movie theater and whole theater CLAPPED when she finally died. I mean, we knew nothing about her character, so why should we care?

2) Neo is blinded and scarred, Trinity asks if he is ok, and he says YES... He was just BLINDED and MAULED, but he's just peachy I guess, and then he cracks a joke about Trinity having to drive. This drew some groans from the audience as well.

3) Keanu Reeves - His performance reminded me of an oak tree in the back yard. This man is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion and yet he is a huge star in Hollywood. Amazing.

4) Nonsense masking as meaning - The Wachowski brothers have become so full of their own s**t that they think that all the tired, overblown crap that they have the Architect and The Oracle spew is actually some of of cryptic geniuos. Its not. Its babbling to make it sound that way. Also, the Oracles whole "when you know it you'll know it" lines got old during the first movie.

***END SPOILER***

This is one of the worst movies I've seen in a very long time. Please do not encourage Hollywood to spend their money on this absolute crap and DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE.

Morpheus1 · 11-06-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

lets take a look at themes in the movies... running through all three movies are choice, but mostly in the first one, the second movie is about purpose, and the third movie is about ________? also i did the fact that i dont understand the name of the movie until i watch the movie, who said this, revolutions not as in a revolt (like revolutionary war) but in revolving cycle...

Matrix= Cause and effect
Matrix Reloaded= Conflict of cause and effect vs choice
Matrix Revolutions= Choice

The first movie could have been interpreted as choice before we saw the second two movies, but Reloaded reveals that they never had a choice and they were just following the Machine's and Program's orders.

Crash · 11-06-2003, 01:12 PM

what was obvious to me was that neo didn't love trinity nearly as much as trinity loved neo... whats up with that? killing trinity was the stupidest this that could have happened in the movie. well not as stupid as killing neo with no explanation. but how clear is it that he actually dies? not real clear.

Morpheus1 · 11-06-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

what was obvious to me was that neo didn't love trinity nearly as much as trinity loved neo... whats up with that? killing trinity was the stupidest this that could have happened in the movie. well not as stupid as killing neo with no explanation. but how clear is it that he actually dies? not real clear.

The Oracle says that they may see Neo again, one day. The Year is around 2699 in the movie (if the cycle of Zion lasted 100 years each). The technology could be there. They should not revive him because he doesn't have much to live for any more. Trinity and Neo's love is completly even. Remember the decision he made at the end of Reloaded? He picked saving Trinity over saving the human race. In other words, he picked to kill everybody inside and outside of the matrix just to save his girl who is going to die either way within the next 24 hours. You talk about being blinded by love, sheesh.

Happydude · 11-05-2003, 10:27 PM

there is still the fact of HOW it ended...too openly if you ask me, cause the oracle said that the world is going to stay like that "for now"...would've been much better if they had shown the planet like '1 Year Later' when you can acually see the sky and you see Robots and Humans working together, and then they show Morpheus and the Crew standing over the graves of Trinity and Neo beside each other...that wouldv'e been a better ending....yup...other then that, it was a good movie...