NGP (aka PSP2)

TheGame · 01-31-2011, 08:55 PM

IMO this thing looks nice.. but I have a feeling Sony is going to sell it for too high of a price. Me and BaB are pretty much in agreement that if this thing is over $300, it has little/no chance to compete with Nintendo.

Any thoughts?

Xantar · 01-31-2011, 10:22 PM

Sony continues to validate my theory that their approach to design is to take something from Nintendo and double it. In some cases (Dual Shock), it works. In some other cases (two touch screens on opposite sides of the NGP), it's hard to understand the point. But at least it seems they've figured out that nobody really expects portable gaming devices to be portable any more. I'm serious. For mobile gaming, people use an iPhone or Android phone. The DS and PSP are for playing while lying on your couch.

Is it just me or is that screen too wide to use as a touch screen? I don't think fingers on either hand will be able to reach all the way to the other side.

BreakABone · 02-01-2011, 12:36 AM

Part of me thinks Sony hasn't taken away the right lessons from this gen, but part of me thinks perhaps they have.

Maybe, they no longer want to go after a broader audience, but focus on the technophiles, I mean they still do well with that market, and can turn a profit. Isn't that for the best?

As for the touch screen, I don't assume you use it much when using dual analog, perhaps like DS where you hold half the console and use touch screen with other hand.

Angrist · 02-01-2011, 04:32 AM

What can I say? It's good that they finally give up competing with Nintendo. There will be a market for this thing.

I just don't understand they didn't go with a 3D screen like the 3DS. Just like the PSP had no touch screen.... Incredibly stupid.

Vampyr · 02-01-2011, 09:28 AM

I'm curious to see how both machines compete against the iPhone.

These 3DS and PSP2 games are going to be $50+ a pop, while iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad games are like $5 on average.

I think Nintendo will do fine just because of their first party titles (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon), but I'm not sure if Sony can tank Apple and Nintendo.

BreakABone · 02-01-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

I'm curious to see how both machines compete against the iPhone.

These 3DS and PSP2 games are going to be $50+ a pop, while iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad games are like $5 on average.

I think Nintendo will do fine just because of their first party titles (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon), but I'm not sure if Sony can tank Apple and Nintendo.

1)I hope neither company is dumb enough to sell their handheld titles for that much, I hated 35-40 this gen!

2) I agree with you, Sony has a more uphill battle than Nintendo because their stable of IPs aren't as well known.

Vampyr · 02-01-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

1)I hope neither company is dumb enough to sell their handheld titles for that much, I hated 35-40 this gen!

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2011/01/23/...re-order-list/

I wasn't speculating. heh.

BreakABone · 02-01-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2011/01/23/...re-order-list/

I wasn't speculating. heh.

Until Nintendo officially announces the prices, I'm still holding out that it will be cheaper.

Angrist · 02-01-2011, 12:47 PM

Remember that both handhelds have both retail games AND downloadables.

Vampyr · 02-01-2011, 03:44 PM

I would love to see the 3DS have an online store with some sort of quality control.

The DSi store is 99% garbage. It might even be 100% garbage.

BreakABone · 02-01-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

I would love to see the 3DS have an online store with some sort of quality control.

The DSi store is 99% garbage. It might even be 100% garbage.

Curious though how is that diff from the App Store or the Droid Market? Most of the stuff on there is crap or a clone or another popular product.

I'm not saying Nintendo doesn't need to work on it (and marketing), but as long as there are some titles of note

Vampyr · 02-02-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

Curious though how is that diff from the App Store or the Droid Market? Most of the stuff on there is crap or a clone or another popular product.

I'm not saying Nintendo doesn't need to work on it (and marketing), but as long as there are some titles of note

It's different from the App Store because there's actually some quality games on there. Angry Birds, Game Dev Story, Words with Friends, Rage HD, Robot Unicorn Attack, Trainyard, Fruit Ninja, and a lot more with great ratings that I haven't tried.

I'm not saying the app store isn't filled with garbage, it is, but there is literally -nothing- good on the DSi store.

BreakABone · 02-02-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

It's different from the App Store because there's actually some quality games on there. Angry Birds, Game Dev Story, Words with Friends, Rage HD, Robot Unicorn Attack, Trainyard, Fruit Ninja, and a lot more with great ratings that I haven't tried.

I'm not saying the app store isn't filled with garbage, it is, but there is literally -nothing- good on the DSi store.

I'm not gonna defend the DSiWare store, since I honestly don't use it, but I find it a hard sell to say it has no good games.

There's Shantae (solid platformer), Cave Story, Mighty Flip, Art Style series(though believe share those with WiiWare, and even DS retail), but yeah the ratio of crap to good stuff is HUGE.

Angrist · 02-01-2011, 04:02 PM

I wish they would port the 25 best games of WiiWare to the 3DS.

TheGame · 02-01-2011, 10:02 PM

I really don't have any arguements to much of what anyone's saying here...

But I will say one point was particularly good:

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But at least it seems they've figured out that nobody really expects portable gaming devices to be portable any more. I'm serious. For mobile gaming, people use an iPhone or Android phone. The DS and PSP are for playing while lying on your couch.

I would expand on that and say it gets quite a bit of use when traveling too. It's just not something someone will put in their pocket and take to work, or school, or even over someone else's house really. It kills time at home, in a backseat of a car/bus, or on a airplane.

One thing that may be worthwhile to add is 4G capibility.. but even if it stays 3G, they should find a way to enable netflix on it. That way they can can get a foot in the door of competing with the casual entertainment laptops (much like some high-end cell phones are now). Depending on how many computer-related (but entertainment and socially focused) functions it has, it could possibly make it's own nitch in the market.

If Ipad can sell 6mil in the 4th Q last year being a large phone that can't make calls, and an extremely limited computer that can hardly play games... At $500... there has to be something there. I really still don't understand why people buy ipads though.. maybe they just bought it cause it's made by apple lol