[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

This isn't Minority Report. Three people and their opinions don't dictate anything. You're not pre-cogs, you're all the exact same thing I am. A dude posting on the internet. Nothing makes your assumptions more valid than mine.

Wow. I've got to hand it to you. When you decide to be ignorant and delusional, you really commit to the role.

Look, just because you say it's just a difference of opinion doesn't make it so. This isn't fortune telling. This is using what's happened in the past and applying it to the present in order to figure out what's going to happen in the future. You're familiar with the concept of learning from the past, aren't you? I keep asking you this question: name one peripheral over $100 which has sold well on a four year old console. And you never answer. I wonder why that is. I'm not trying to browbeat you with superiority of numbers. I'm expressing incredulity that so many people can explain this very simple idea to you and you apparently still can't get it.

I'm not sure what makes you so certain that this time is special and won't follow the exact same path as every other peripheral in console history, but I'm not the one making baseless assumptions here.

And before you start whining about how I'm insulting you and making disparaging remarks about my penis size, why don't you go find me an example of a peripheral which has succeeded?

I'll use my pre-cog abilities - however - to see into the future to the point where you make a long post arguing that your opinion is better than mine.

Just wanted to point out that the reason my posts are so long is I'm explaining absurdly simple concepts to you very slowly so that you can understand them.

I also don't see the timing as 'too late'. Next Gen isn't for a while, still. It would be 'Too late' if they already announced the next gen consoles and peripherals, and loads of games lined up. But they haven't. I don't call 1-2 years "too late" in a consoles life for anything to do with that console to be released. Again, if you think a year or two is a short, unmeasurable amount of time to do with the lifespan of a console, neat.

The point isn't that there's not enough time left in the console cycle. The point is too much time has already passed. Tens of millions of people are out there who have purchased consoles without Move or Kinect, and the vast majority of them are not going to buy it now. That means the incentive for developers is heavily on the side of not supporting Move or Kinect. And when developers don't support a peripheral, people don't buy it. And when people don't buy a peripheral, developers don't support it. It's what's happened in the past. It's what will happen this time.

No, but there is something called 'Public Interest'.
3D TV's didn't come out before 3D movies proved people want [good] 3D technology. A 3D handheld didn't come out before that, either. If 3D TV's were on the public market before [good] 3D movies, that would be a different story.

Here's where your analogy breaks down: 3D movies were released in order to make money. They weren't pushed out as a test case or to gauge public interest. The point of releasing movies in 3D was for the movies to make a profit. And they did.

The theory you've been pushing is that Microsoft and Sony are releasing motion control devices just to see how much interest they get. And that's utterly wrong. Microsoft and Sony should be releasing motion control devices in order to make money. The problem is they won't (see above).

There are two problems with this.
Problem A: Testing a market makes 0 sense? Really? Really?
Problem B: You are expecting it to fail. Not them.

Problem A: It is when you're releasing something that's going to fail and is going to cost you a lot of money (you can give me a counter-example of a peripheral which has sold this late in the console cycle any time you want).
Problem B: Then they're idiots. Again, look at history.

I'll do you one better. I'll buy a Move.

That wasn't the point, but I'm loading your head with too many thoughts now so I'll stop for the time being. Come back with a $100 peripheral which has sold well, why don't you?