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Originally Posted by TheGame

Because they're slowing the progress of the industry by being sucsessful at being cheap. I feel that there sucsess is going to cause future generations to move away from higher budget high quality games and focus more on what will sell the most with the smallest amount of risk. Which is kinda what was brought up in the RPG thread.. No companies are willing to take the time out to make a epic good RPG because its a big risk that won't reward as well as making a simple overpriced game or remake for Wii..

And seeing systems like Wii sucseed by purposely moving away from pumping out cutting edge technology is not going to help..

The Wii isn't slowing the industry, I think it is showing people that not everyone wanted cutting edge graphics. As the old adage goes, bigger is not always better.

The simple fact of the matter is if technology was all that mattered to gamers, the 360 or the Ps3 would have sold at a much better rate. Hell the 360 has been priced cheaper than the Wii for over a year and has yet to ecplise its sale on a single month basis.

And you say, people aren't taking risks. Embracing a new way to play a game seems like a much bigger risk than providing the same experience we've had for the last 20 years with a new shine of paint.

And again, you are boiling down the Wii library to what you want to see... you are making it sound like it isn't possible to make good looking, epic games on the Wii... what is stopping any developer from doing that... I know you are going to bring up the casual games that sell well, but there are dozens upon dozens of them that crash and burn.

And its not like Sony and MS are innocent in this whole affair... Viva Pinata, Buzz, Eyepet, Scene It, You're in the Movies... Home.. etc... etc...

I don't fault them for wanting to make money, that's just the nature of any company. I don't like that they're making money by slowing overall progress of the industry.

Again, I don't see them slowing the nature of the industry. If the industry wants to move forward it will move forward, but at the current time it doesn't seem like better graphics are the only solution..

Originally Posted by TheGame

Fable II 2.6 million sales, Mass effect 1.6 million sales.

Respectable numbers but..

Wii Sports 47 million sales, Wii Play 22.98 million sales, Wii fit 21.82 million sales, Mario Kart Wii 17.39 million sales, Super Smash Brothers brawl 8.02 million sales, Mario Party 8 6.72 million sales.

I don't like how you lump Smash Bros and Mario Kart in there. And to a lesser extent, Mario Party.

Besides the fact that Smash Bros and Mario Kart are extremely well made games with depth and tons of features, they are also not new franchises, and have always sold well even on the GCN which was not nearly as popular as the Wii.

Wii Sports also shouldn't count because outside of Japan it comes with the console.

So yeah, they just worked their asses off for their 1-2 million sales when games with a little gimick and short development time smoked them.. I'm not saying that companies will follow suit. But with Wii winning this generation its likely that people will catch on. And I don't really like that idea.

Do you know how much time went into each of the games above? I mean I wouldn't expect too much effort from Wii Play.

But the responsiveness of Wii Sports... had to have taken Nintendo a lot of time and testing.
Smash Bros has a comparable time frame to Mass Effect and those other games. And one hell of a budget.
Same with Mario Kart.

The simple fact of the matter is, Wii or not, I think this generation just proved there is something admist in the industry. Stuff like GTA and Halo all sell well out the gate and then drop like a rock because "hardcore" gamers have extremely short attention span so they front load a game, but then tht audience moves on, what does that do for building a decent userbase if you don't know that they will be loyal come next generation, or if they will even buy your games.


But yeah, this thread mostly got off topic, and I guess TheGame is the only one who answered it properly as apparently he does see the Wii as a threat to the industry, but for rather selfish reasons it seems.