Obama Chooses Joe Biden as VP
 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...idate/?cnn=yes

I don't know. I don't know anything about this guy, I really expected him to choose Hillary, just to keep from insulting all the other democrats pulling for her. If he had chose her, he could pretty much have put a check mark next to all the people who had supported her to vote for him.

I guess he can't be insulted for not having experience on his side anymore? Maybe that was the motivating factor in the decision.

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I think this is a horrible choice, for a few reasons:

1) He is extremely unlikeable. I live in the area, and while he has strong supporters here, his attitude and demeanor are ver "north east". Meaning: He can be a snide asshole to make a point, kind of like me. :D That doesn't fly well in other areas of the country.

2) Obama is running on a "no experience necessary" ticket, and he chooses Biden who could only have been chosen because of his foreign policy experience, and Obama is going to have a hard time making those two things coincide if he is challenged on them.

3) Biden calling Obama "clean and articulate". Trust me, that WILL be resurfacing.

4) Ardent Hillary supporters will be pissed, and considerable (not majority) amount will vote for McCain

5) Biden is also known for making some rash comments when challenged, and that could and will be used against him. He does not have a "presidential" demeanor... well not in this centruries idea of presidential anyway.

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Didn't Hillary once say she didn't want to run for VP? Or was that Obama?

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I like Mr. Biden, but some of his past comments are going to come back to hurt Obama, such as, "Obama does not have enough experience to become President" and "I'd be proud to run with or against McCain." Those will go over real well.

Obama never would have picked Hillary, he has too big of an ego to accept both Bill and Hillary onto his ticket. And by picking Biden, Obama may have screwed Hillary over yet again for another attempt at the Presidency.

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Wow! Being a Wilmington, Delaware native, this is pretty cool for me. We took a class trip to Washington, DC and got to hang out in Biden's office. Despite how he may come off, he is a very nice man. His niece and nephew went to my school...

I respect Biden's sometimes fiery demeanor. Has it gotten him into trouble recently? Yes, he's said some stupid things like the "clean and articulate" comment and saying something to the effect that "every Dunkin' Donuts in Delaware is run by Indians" or something. However, he's also stood up to this administration a lot on the war, and that strength not to back down to the Republican attacks that Obama has already faced will be a big asset. The guy has been a senator forever and his foreign policy credentials are astounding.

And we may not want to say it, but a big help is just the fact that he is a White dude, and that will probably help more than anything.

Edit: Another reason to like the man.

THIS.

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McCain should definitely not attack Biden, and should continue to solely go after Obama.

Obama needs to start throwing out names for cabinet positions, a few of which need to be Republicans, or at the least centrists.

Germy, I'm guessing that speech was after he voted for the Iraq war? Tee-hee.

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Yeah, and I think he admitted that. But, as he said, he didn't expect the incompetence that the administration had in the handling of the war.

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That was good. They look good together.

I don't see how they can lose.

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Now, I completely agree that politicians are screwing us in Iraq, and we went in ill-equipped, yada, yada, yada. I've been on the receiving end of that shit sandwich.

However, this is the reason I hate politicians. Our defense spending was cut during the Clinton administration. Those 8 years brought us from Desert Storm into a low period where we became a peace-time force again. It was the same time period where we pulled CIA agents from the middle east, and they they wondered why come 2003 we didn't have good intelligence on Iraq? We began pulling out intelligence in '94. This dude's in a great position to stand up now and point fingers and talk the talk saying "We need change!" Where was he during the 8 years Clinton was in office? Probably sitting in his chair doing nothing.

If he honestly cared, he would've done something years ago. It's like when I hear Hilary say our troops aren't getting enough funding. Hello dumbass, you're on the Senate armed forces committee, do something about it. Politicians only get involved when it becomes popular to be involved.

I hate them all equally.

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Ah, this is good I guess. He obviously picked him so he could relate more to white blue collar workers. His speech was good.

In the grand scheme of things though, the Vice President means absolutley nothing and does next to nothing.

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And the President does what again? Last time I checked, he was only a scapegoat for Washington's bad decisions.

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This is too funny:

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The woman who made that ad...Check out her Myspace...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=392833877

If Delaware elects this "woman" I will be absolutely ashamed. I'm pretty sure New Castle County won't' allow it, but with the two "slower lower" Delaware counties out there, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Oh, I agree. Entrenched senators are nearly impossible to defeat, but the video was still funny. Especially when he started talking about golf.

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Regardless of politics, I think Biden is an embarrassment. His reduiculous performance duriung the Roberts hearing bordered on humorous.

The biggest problem with Biden as VP, is that he has given the GOP more soundbytes to attack Obama with than Hillary would have. Its almost like Obama is trying to rip defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Would you take a look at his wife?



I sure wouldn't mind conquering that on top of the Oval Office desk!

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I love how when Obama introduced him, he said, "here's the next President of the... I mean, Vice President of the United States!"

Writing is on the wall?

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Biden is what, 65 now? In a hypothetical sense, he'll be 73 if Obama manages to serve a full 8 years. That's bordering on too damn old to run a country.

Biden in general, while a decent pick, Obama could have done better. Obama wants to "change" the way politics are, then he goes and chooses someone who has been in for 30+ years not advocating any kind of change.

I still have lost all faith in the political system and I hope at some point the american public realizes this, and finds someone non-democrat/republican to run the white house and see how it goes.

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This is bad news for Obama:

"Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters -- registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee -- are now backing Obama. That's down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they'll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June."

That number should be going up, not down.

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With how media is handling the whole election, and how the older and younger people I know are reacting to it... I honestly can say this is the most clear cut election I've been old enough to care about. I think Obama will win hands down unless he makes some huge mistake.

And he didn't take Dave Chapelle's advice and get a mexican vice president as life insurance, but he sure did get a guy who I feel will grow to be hated soon enough. lol

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Funny that you say that, since according to all the experts, the people who care about politics in the race leading up to the election is a very small percentage of actual voters.

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Doesn't change my vote. I guess the whole point of the VP choice from either party is to sway the voters still on the fence.

If that's the case, then according to the polls now, it doesn't look like Biden was a good choice for Obama. But there's still time left. Maybe some Clinton supporters are especially bitter now that Clinton is officially off the list and there's no "maybe..." anymore to hope for. And maybe after some time that bitterness will wear off and they will warm up to Biden.

Or not. Political forecasting seems like such a complete crapshoot.

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Oh yes of course, Biden is an embarassment, nevermind Mcains absolutley rediculous adds attacking Obama...when you start to put Britney Spears and Paris Hilton in your campaign ads...

but of course the Democrats are doomed, because the Republicans OBVIOUSLY know how to run a country well, just look at the past 8 years...

and of course we cant elect Obama, because he dosent have enough experience (like the experienced people who led our country into the shithole its in now)

Oh, and as soon as Obama is elected the country will be totally unsafe to live in and terrorists will run free.

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The whole hillary vs Obama thing did bring out a record number of voters, but yes you're right, any way its sliced what we see now isn't the whole picture. Outside of state things, for actual presedent elections I've seen... which were bush vs gore and bush vs kerry, both times people were generally mixed on their opinions. I knew a lot of supporters for all of the above from the begining to the end (though the bush ones are real quiet these days).

Right now I hardly see anyone openly supporting Mccain. Maybe its just me though.

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Look at Ronald Reagan's speech from 1964. He was right then, and he's right now:

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Ronald Regan is the most overrated president ever. He went to college in the hick-born again christian town of Eureka, IL which is about 8 miles from where I live...they act like its a big deal Regan went there or someting. In any event the college is really lame.

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Uh oh

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What in the world are you talking about? We're discussing Biden's VP pick and you start reiterating MoveOn.org talking points. I'm starting to think you don't really support anyone, but instead simply run on hatred of Republicans.

As for the polls slipping for Obama, I think that has less to do with Biden's pick, and more to do with the Faith Forum they both participated in and each candidates response to Russia invading Georgia. Both of those were solid political wins for McCain after months of being dominated by Obama.

I still think Obama will win by a slim margin, but that margin is getting slimmer and slimmer. McCain came off much more decisive and leader-like in the forum, and it will interesting to see if that continues in the debates. Then there is also the "fear of being a racist" polling skew that has always existed for elections with black candidates. A certain percentage of voters who polled Obama will likely vote McCain, only polling Obama as not to appear racist.

In any event, I've already taken Nov. 2-5 off and will have a lot of popcorn and beer on hand for the show :D

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I guess people just love it when we go to war with anyone. It boggles my mind how they don't see that the cost of war is astronomical and while there seems to be a "post-war" boom in the economy, the crap that is dealt with here in all areas is worse along the way. War should be a last resort, not the first option.

Unfortunately, we're so hopped up in "helping" the world spread "democracy", that we fail to care enough about the home issues. Hence why corporations are slowly running the US, because we're too damn busy "helping" other countries when they just have to learn to fix their own problems once in awhile.

If Hillary wants to get her supporters to stop supporting McCain, she needs to get frank and blunt with them on stage (I think its either tonight or tomorrow). Something along the lines of "What the fuck are you thinking?" but in slightly nicer words :D

Obama could've picked better overall then Biden, but we'll see how it pans out in November. He just doesn't have the appeal to alot there yet unless he can prove himself better over time.

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Who was talking about war? There are many ways to deal with Russia beyond violence, such as tossing their asses out of the WTO, NATO and the UN, sanctioning them until it hurts and isolating them until they decide to work with the rest of the world. Or you can do what the rest of the world is currently doing, and that is cowering our of fear Russia will cut off the oil.

Russia showed a while ago it has no respect for their own democracy with their staged election, which more of a coronation of Czar Putin, and now they have proven they have no respect for the choice of other people to choose their own leadership. At what point should the world assert itself when faced with a burgeoning autocracy with an eye for expansion via military action and a penchant for political assassination? After a world war is inevitable?

For the record, McCain never once mentioned going to war with Russia. There is a difference between being assertive and war-mongering.[/quote]

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I'll just accept defeat in this forum and let the Republicans win.

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I think the issue that we run into here is that our forum members who consider themselves Democrats and/or of liberal mindsets are used to discussing politics with right-wing evangelicals and neo-cons.

Strangler and myself (correct me if I'm wrong, Professor), are of more liberal Republican or centrist mindsets. So, sometimes we argue for the same viewpoint, but we go about it very differently than the right-wing crazies.

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Eh, at any rate, I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll just leave out.

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To boil my veiwpoints down:

I'm a fiscally conservative

Socially moderate, even leaning to the left except for abortion where I am formly in the middle

Diplomatically, I believe in Teddy Roosevelt's stance: Speak softly, but carry a big stick. I think that holds true for both diplomacy and the military.

But when it comes to politics, I can remove myself and enjoy the spectacle. Presidential elections are almost like sport to me. Its just fun watching everything develop.

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I masturbate a lot. If Obama wins it will be due to him portraying McCain as a war monger and instilling a false security in the American public that the Democrats will resolve the Iraq situation. I just wonder if America will be left with a bitter taste (towards the Dems) when Obama fails to remove all the troops from Iraq and increases spending to send more troops to Afghanistan to get those dirty terrorists. Also, Iran.

Anyway, this election is boiling down to a Douche vs. a Turd.

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Yup, and if Mccain wins its because he convinces people that Obama is too inexperienced to be president and that Obama is really going to make the over seas situation worse somehow. Though I'm pretty sure even at this point 90+% of people are already sure who they're going to vote for no matter what is said or done.

Pretty much, just how people are left with that bitter taste towards bush now because he failed to remove the troops and is putting so much money into the war. Though I think no matter what happens, it'd be easy to just blame everthing on Bush if Obama or Mccain fail to find a resolution and remove us from Iraq.

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I actually think McCain will win the vote of the religious folks, the working class, and people over 40. It's going to be a close race either way....at least I think so. It wouldn't surprise me if it's 49%/51% type dealy.

There is no resolution to "remove us from Iraq." That is THE revolution. We are going to be there until we stabilize the region, otherwise someone will just rise to the position that Saddam once had and we will be back in Iraq at some point in the distant future.

I wish Obama and McCain would both be more up front about this. Again, I think a lot of voters (especially the 20s age group) are under the impression that Obama is going to remove the United States from Iraq. It ain't happening.

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Thats the way I see it, too. Its going to be too close to call, and I'll hav a case of beer and a bowl of peanuts at the ready 11/4-11/5. I love this shit. :D

I agree, but I don;t see how McCain can be more upfront about it. He has said we'll be there until the job is done. I'm calling 2010. You heard it here first, folks.:mischief:

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I disagree with that. :P Being a religious person myself and being surrounded by a lot of them, I cantell you for sure when the 2004 election and even the 2000 election was around they did openly support Bush more. But as it stands right now I see no open support for Mccain among the religious comunity, but I see Obama's name tossed around more like Bush's was.

As for the "working class" I'm not sure how you draw a line there. As for people over 40, that's the group that's more split on the issue from what I can see. I could see it going 50/50 for people over 40, or if Mccain supportersa re just quiet, then I could see Mccain taking that group.

Also, when I said 90% of the people know who theyre going to vote for already, I mean that right now Obama or Mccain would be hard pressed to change some people's minds. The people who are most likely still on the fence are hillary supporters, and if they've been following things for the last month they're likely all Obama supporters now, or they were never real hillary supporters to begin with.

Maybe its just me though, or maybe its just the schools I'm surrounded by, or the job I work for, or the church I attend. Maybe just the people I know online and offline, or just my family or the state I'm from. But to me, this doesn't look like it's going to be a close election again.

I think the thing that is killing Mccain is his open support for Bush.