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I'll admit Micheal uses manipulation, but there is no other effective way to get his point across, not many people like to listen about politics, so unless it is in an entertaining video, not many people will care.

The question is, is it wrong to use manipulation to spread facts that everyone should hear?

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Thanks for ignoring my previous post directed towards you that made you look really bad, Zaglar.

And more trouble for Michael Moore, even Richard Clarke disagrees with him:

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On behalf of the board liberals I concede the point to Strangler and the conservatives based solely on Zaglar Ninja's stupidity.

Shut Up, you make Typhoid look like a Poli-Sci major.

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So you are willing to concede to a person who believes Mother Teresa was a bad person?

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Typhoid, I believe I specifically said that I DIDN'T Mother Theresa was a bad person, just misguided, but then again I can hardly expect you to actually read my posts before making judgements on them can I? :rolleyes:

EDIT: LOL!!! I just looked and you even QUOTED me saying she wasn't a bad person. Oh wow, thats just awesome. :D

He is debunking the free pass that she gets from the international community and press. Public opinion is that she is one of the most wonderful people who has ever existed, and the truth may be quite different.

Look at your own opinion about her: She is labeled a saint by the Catholic Church and you would rather just take their word for it rather than analyze the situation further. Her teachings may have directly or indirectly caused mass deaths, but since the church named her a Saint she must be beyond reproach. You should question more than just the decisions the US government makes.

I'm also not over in Africa telling people to NOT wear them. What does what I do have anything to do with Mother Theresa nd what she does? Really, that was a really weak argument Dyflon, bordering on that thin line of irrelevance, and I expect better from you by now.

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How exactly is she killing Africans? Not giving them condoms? Oh, i see, shes killing Africans by following her religion, it makes sense now.

And like Dylflon said, you're not giving condoms to Africans, so then arn't you contributing to their deaths as well?

The bottom line is, the woman is a f****** saint. How the hell can you seriously say anything a saint is doing is wrong, obviously she didnt do anything wrong, to get her saint status.
She believes in her religion, and how can you debunk someones beliefs?
You cant tell someone who has been raised to religion and not to believe in condoms that she is contributing to millions of African deaths.

The woman is a f****** Saint for christs sake. :p


And Strangler, it sounds like you dont like Catholocism. Youre saying what she believes in contributes to deaths. She what. Catholics dont go around killing people.

Who are you to question religious beliefs?

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Can someone tell me what Africa, the biggest piece of **** continent there is, has anything to do with the movie Farenheit 911? Or what does Mother Teresa, or the Catholic branch of Christianity have anything to do with it?

Seriously, wtf, you guys are wasting your time in this thread. There are so many stupid political threads on this board, and neither side has "won" ever since it's started, which was like... how long ago? Neither Dylflon and his posse or Strangler/Bond (who I respect for some of the things they post) have made any kind of difference in these forums. Just my opinion anyway, I've realized that all this arguing is useless.

Talk when the U.S. elections are over.

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Please point out one post I made where I said SHE is KILLING Africans... I never said it. What I said was that her teachings contributed to the deaths of many by convincing them that the use of condoms is a sin.

And like I said to Dyflon, that has to be the most illogical and irrelevant argument I've ever heard. Compare action to action, not action to inaction. The fact that I have decided to go to school and be a teacher has absolutely no bearing on Africans. Mother Theresa CHOSE to go to Africa and teach Africans not to use condoms has a a LOT of bearing on Africans... see the difference?

So since the church decided to make her a saint, and the church is controlled by humans who are inherently fallible by their own doctrine, she can't POSSIBLY do anything wrong? So by saying this you are saying that the church has never done anything wrong? Holy crap, pick up a book. Not even the Catholic Church believes that.

As I pointed out before, Hitchins was not debunking her beliefs, he was debunking the public opinion and free pass she gets from the international community. Do you even pay attention to or read any of my posts, or do you just make up crap in your head that you want me to say? READ MY DAMN POSTS AND DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

But I can sure as hell tell her to keep her big fat nose out of other people's business and not help in killing tens of thousands. If you don't believe in condoms, thats fine. Don't go to poor, third world nations and ignorantly preach a doctrine that when combined with their culture creates deaths on a scale not seen since the black plague.

And saints are chosen by man and man is inherently fallible. Don't believe everything you hear. Saints can sin. If you believe otherwise you are letting yourt religious biases blind you.

No, I'm saying that what she TEACHES contributes to deaths. I have my issues with Catholicism, but out of respect of regious beliefs I usually keep out of religious debates. Ifr only Mother Theresa did the same, many lives would have been saved.

1) There are plenty of catholic murderers. 2) I never said she killed anyone, please READ MY POSTS THOROUGHLY BEFORE RESPONDING.

I'm not questioning religious beliefs, I'm questioning whether or not someone should go into another country and teach people to do something, or more importantly NOT do something, and not see that their actions can affect them disasterously.

Typhoid, until you start reading what I have written and not repeat yourself constantly, saying the same thing over and over again, I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. You've made your points (which is basically that she is a saint and therefore infallible :rolleyes: ) and I've countered them.

NEXT.

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Youre mad im putting words in your mouth, but when did i ever say that the curch's have never done anything wrong? When did i say humans wernt infallable?

She wasnt going to africa and just saying " Dont use condoms" she was teaching them catholocism. One part just happens to be they dont believe in condoms.

And i never said she was infallable, just she never did anything wrong in the lords eyes. She had plenty of option to do things wrong, but she never did.

And what she believes in and teaches aer the same things. She belives in Catholisism, and she teaches it. Semantics.

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You implied it right here:




What's your point? She's still teaching them not to use condoms,,,thusly resulting in many deaths.

Don't be an idiot. Everyone sins. To say otherwise totally contradicts the christian(catholocism, other denominations) belief system.

Again, you have no defined point. Strangler whipped you up and down on this one. Sorry bud.

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Ok then, name the sins Mother Teresa did.

:p




And i didnt imply it there, i think you misquoted or something...I never said HUMANS wernt infallable, i said she has done nothing wrong in the eyes of god.

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Don't play stupid.

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Anyways, back to the movie, cuz weve all gotten a little off topic ( except Crono, who tried to get it back)

Does anyone know where to download a copy of this movie?
Because i dont have time to go to the theatre and see it, it would be alot easier to download it. A link would be awesome.

( Its probably been said, but i dont know where)

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www.suprnova.org

torrent files if you don't know.

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I saw this movie a couple days ago finally. I thought it was well done. Pretty shocking all the stuff I never knew about the Bush family and their ties with other people.