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There was talk of Nintendo remedying the issue when it was first brought up, way back when the Wii and Virtual Console were new hat. I believe Nintendo has the programmers who could address the issue with software updates. It's not like I'm the first person to raise this point. Raising the same point in the future is fair; companies adapt and make changes and improvements all the time. Well, most companies.

Used NES/SNES/N64 games? I don't find the pursuit to be worthwhile. I could spend hours of my life hunting a game down on Ebay. Or I could spend 4 seconds emulating it. :lol: If Nintendo had a better VC Library and at a lower price...I'd probably just buy it because I enjoy the TV setup and the nostalgia.



There is an interesting paradigm shift in gaming. Some websites now sell old computer games - often optimized to work on Vista or Win 7 - for reasonable prices. GOG comes to mind. On one hand...I love the fact that I can go and purchase the old games that defined my childhood. On the other hand, I think it raises an interesting copyright dilemma.

Are video games like books? Will there be a library of video games someday?

I guess my question is: emulating a video game doesn't require labor costs, kind of like digital books. If I bought a paperback Mark Twain book, even if he is dead, there are still publishing costs and paper costs.

There are ZERO manufacturing costs to copy software. Well...not exactly zero...bandwidth and server space....but nearly zero. So the question is, should I pay for a Mark Twain book if it is digitally available? Mark Twain is dead. He doesn't receive a penny for his work. And the old publisher model is outdated. Sorry paper company, go fuck yourself. Let's save some trees.

If there is no middle man (paper, book, binding, publishing rights, shipping costs) and Mark Twain is dead...who gets money for the digital copy of the book? And why should they get money? Does his family get money? Do the publishers? What's the dillio?

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The whole thing is just overwhelming is all. So did this whole board just go anti-Nintendo or something?

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I'm not blaming you. And I believe, lately, some members in the forums just want to see who they can get butt hurt. It's just entertainment for them. There's a term for that behavior but it eludes me at the moment.

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Don't you think you're being a little unfair? I mean, I honestly didn't know this was the case in regard to Nintendo's DRM policy - it was new news to me. I think this is a legitimate issue, especially when none of Nintendo's competitors have a similar policy. I understand your frustration with re-litigating an issue, but I do think it's a valid one.

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Well, this forum is the spawn of Nintendojo and the Nintendo Dolphin. So lots of Nintendo love here. Sometimes I forget that pointing out any criticism - even if it is perfectly legit and valid - goes against the forum policy of having nothing but love for Nintendo.

I confess I am stirring the shit pot and I do that quite often. But you all would be boring if I didn't stir the shit pot. But I'm just as much a Nintendo fanboy as I am a Nintendo troll. I've owned Nintendo consoles my entire life. I've stuck through the Gamecube and Wii era, and I'll probably get a Wii-U. I'm a devout Mario and Zelda fan, and I love the rare moments when Nintendo innovates out of the water; Metroid Prime, Pikmin. Sure, I am anything but objective. I probably pick on Nintendo more than a lot of other things. So I'll grant you that.

But, your honor, if I may present further evidence. I totally rip on PC gaming, Xbox and Xbox Live, and the PS3. All the time. Look at my track record here. I complain about all 3 crappy consoles equally. Xbox Live is bloated and has way too much DLC. PS3 is expensive and has way too many sequels. I constantly rip on Halo and Grand Theft Auto and other popular titles. I don't see any Nintendo fanboys jumping in those threads and telling me I'm a flamer or a troll. :ohreilly:

Name me a game and odds are I've said mean things about it. When sites like IGN hand 10/10s to every game nowadays we need less people to say nice things about games and more people to point out their shortcomings. I mostly enjoy games for what they are: a fun experience. I enjoyed Super Mario Galaxy 2, for example. But that doesn't change the fact that the game is practically an expansion to the original. See? Enjoyment meets fair criticism. And IGN blew it, if I recall correctly. Nintendo has their happy ending, IGN ends up with a mouthfull of Nintendo spunk, and i get to be an ass which is fun.

I think this thread is pretty legit. Because it is genuine. I didn't post this thread to flame or start some "Nintendo war." I love Nintendo. But for real....my family got a Wii a long time ago, and I sunk money into the Virtual Console. When the Virtual Console was new, I knew you couldn't transfer games. I figured Nintendo would fix this issue like Xbox Live updates or Sony patches their firmware. Pretty typical stuff. And I never expected my GF to get a Wii. Nintendo hasn't fixed it, despite some talk that they would. They actually have regressed in some of their views on DRM and where the hell is Nintendo's online gaming!!!! What year is it?

So now that it is a few years later, I have new found disgust for Nintendo's antiquated DRM and crappy online policy. If you think this is a poor criticism than touche. But I hope I'm entitled to my own opinion, without being called a "troll" or "flamer" because I disagree with your hardcore love for Nintendo.

Even though I'm a huge PC gamer, I didn't get irate or pissy over this thread:
http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21952

I found the above thread amusing, and full of truths. I know how to laugh at hyperbole and embellished criticism. I take my internet with a grain of salt and lots of porn.

So I want to end my post with a typical "me" comment:

The difference between Nintendo gamers and Xbox Live gamers? They both troll and they are both horrible parts of gaming culture. But the Xbox gamers actually get laid, and the Nintendo gamers just pine and get all defensive. Nintendo gamers need to harden the eff up. :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:

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All I can say is:


lol@notbeingabletotakethethingsyourightfullypaidfor.


Maybe you should blow in it. Jiggle the cord!


Edit: Okay, i've got no actual help or advice on the OP. In Nintendo's defense not allowing you to move the files ensures nobody will steal/pirate them. That went well for them, right?


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I 100% agree.

I also find the idea of a video game library excellent, if not already somewhat existent. I do think that in the future (when cars fly and food is in pill form) older games [let's say this gen and back] will be free for the exact reason you stated. Although they'll all obviously be digital.

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Well, I don't know if you remember me from advancegb.com but I know you from back then and I know you well and I know you're objective. So no problem with your criticism or anything, but in the last couple of days it seemed all you did was try to get reactions from Nintendo fans, one attempt after another. And I just started to think that you were just bored and trying to have fun at someone else's expense. So I just stopped taking your comments seriously. I didn't even see it as you trying to be an ass but just saying them in jest and I decided to point it out just to avoid having others "fall for it." It helped that I didn't really take your EA and Nintendo comparison seriously as I didn't really agree with it. The motion control thread also didn't convince me.

As for the criticism itself I don't even disagree with it, I just noticed that you kept going and then everyone joined in and I really didn't think the subject merits that much anger. I haven't bought a single game from the virtual console since Megaman 9. And I just had to play that game and didn't have a PS3 or 360 at the time. But until Nintendo gets its act straight, then they better not count with me spending money on downloads for their platform.
This is from a thread I made a long time ago where I pointed this flaw in Nintendo's policy:

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20414

I actually like all of the platforms and have complains about everyone of them too. I just didn't feel you were happy just with making your point but kept going after that.

And Bond, if you truly didn't know that until now, then my bad. I just really considered this common knowledge and thought you were just being sarcastic. So no need to say only good things about Nintendo. But now I'm assured this is actually a legitimate discussion. And to be honest, gekko's thread about the Halo Anniversary eating his save didn't get everyone on the hate halo bandwagon or anything, and (although I haven't been reading every single thread on GT) I haven't really seen anyone jump in any hate bandwagon towards non Nintendo consoles. I think everyone enjoys every console on this forum.

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Hey man, it's all good. This is a chill board. I come in peace, unless your name is Earl...ha.

In the motion control thread, I stand by the quotes I posted. I don't doubt the game is very solid and polished. For a number of people, the controls had their 'not so great moments.' When gameplay is disrupted because of camera or motion controls or glitches, it detracts from the game. Hence, I still feel feel like the 10 is overly-ambitious on IGN's part. The 7.5 or whatever Gamespot gave the game was probably a bit of a lowball score, but at least the score matched the review.

I'm actually pumped to try out Skyward Sword come Christmas. For what that's worth. :p

And I do remember you and AGB, my comment about the Nintendo love was more for the other people at this forum. AGB was part of the Nintendojo split....we got AGB and GT out of it. I feel like this forum was more of the Nintendo hardcore crowd.

I'm definitely on a Nintendo hot streak...if only because I've been playing Nintendo games lately. That and PC, because I'm a PC gamer too. :p

I give Nintendo tough love because I see the potential...just like I give The Walking Dead on the movies/music/tv board tough love.

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It is a legitimate issue. I guess I was just taken aback by how much it upsets him. Plus with the way people criticize Nintendo, you'd think that Nintendo raped their mothers in a dark alley and left them to die. They may bring it on themselves at times, but it can't be that bad. Then again it doesn't help that I've seen someone at another board talk about that he'll never support Nintendo ever again, and that's all because he has played Skyward Sword and found it to be the same as many of the preceding Zelda games. It's kind of like how Killer Gremlin stated that Super Mario Galaxy 2 is pretty much just a rehash of the first one. I haven't played too much of those games myself, however. I haven't gotten started on playing my own copy of Skyward Sword, but whether it's not much different than other Zelda games, it won't matter to me as long as its fun and easy to play.

So what about those people who may be both? They DO exist, even if we might not hear about them all that much. In fact, I know at least one or two of them.

I've been a Nintendo fan since the days of the NES, so that's a damn long time. I've owned all their systems since then, although I passed on the Virtual Boy. Even so, I'll probably find myself buying every Nintendo system that ever gets released, simply because I know they'll deliver on their best franchises on which I'm a fan. I will acknowledge the things that Nintendo could improve upon, even if I don't go looking to bite the heads off of puppies and kittens. I've even accepted that they might not ever bother to try and appeal to the "mature gamers" the way Microsoft and Sony do, but that's all right. I've often said that a future Nintendo system could have nothing but T and M-rated games, and it would still be considered a "kiddie" system. We complain that systems like the GameCube and the Wii doesn't have enough mature games, but I can see them getting a lot of flak even if they did.

In fact, I'm wondering why the Wii couldn't have been built with a motion sensor INSIDE, and I hope the Wii U will be different in that respect. The sensor bar just looks silly sticking all the way out of the Wii like that. Also, speaking of the Wii U, I'd hope Nintendo would know what they're doing if they're really going to put the thing out next year, as it's a bit soon. It's one Nintendo system that I wouldn't mind getting pushed back every so often.

I don't have a 3DS yet, but I'd like to get one, although I don't think the 3D is all that necessary. I actually think it's more of a gimmick than anything, and I don't care about it. I just care about the games that come out for it, and that they'll interest me.

The issue you brought up about not being able to transfer games also made me think of how Nintendo reminds me of my mother, with the decisions they make. Like, how she would just come up with some silly decision out of the blue.

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Mark Twain his books are more than a 100 years old, so there's no copyright on them anymore. The man would probably be flattered to know that people these days still read his books.
Computer games are less than 30 years old, so there's copyright. Most of the creators are still alive and are trying to make a living. If what they made back then is still popular now, I don't see how they should just give them away.

It seems like you're ignoring arguments concerning law and you're trying to come up with moral arguments. That's fine, I'm not trying to stop you pirate things. I just want to give some arguments for the other side.

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The Wii needs the infrared dots of that sensor bar for pointer controls. All the precise controls wouldn't have been possible without it.

Now with Zelda they're showing that WiiMotionPlus can do the same thing without a sensor bar... But for Wii U I'm pretty sure they'll include it. Not only for Wii backwards compatibility, but also because it's always good to have a point of reference for your controller.

And if you meant the sensor bar should have been on the Wii... That would mean my Wii would have to lie in front of the TV all the time. =/

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Of course that's not what I meant. I did say I questioned why the sensor technology couldn't have been built INSIDE the unit.

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Well actually the motion and movement part of the wii has always been controlled by the movement of the controller itself not the sensor bar. The sensor bar is pretty much literally for the pointing on the screen.

The swordplay in the new zelda game is all movement based, but the sensor bar is still used for the camera, aiming weapons etc.


And storm, if that was the case and they built it into the wii unit itself you would have had to sat the wii on top of the tv or on the floor. The thin bar on top or below your tv is much better :D

Also this board is about 50/50 on the nintendo hate train.

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That's what I said.
Wrong. The sensor bar is only used to calibrate the controller. Try covering up the sensor bar after you've done that.

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True. However, the sensor bar does play a role while you're playing the game. When you're swinging the Wiimote around a lot (like, say, during a frenetic bit of combat or something) the calibration for the sword's position will slowly become off. It uses the sensor bar as a point of reference to keep the sword centered. Try aiming the Wiimote away from the TV and swing the sword around for a while. You'll notice it'll go out of wack after a while. Point it back at the screen/sensor bar and your sword will go back to where it should be automatically. Its pretty neat.