What religion are you?

[mickydaniels]

Didn't they recently discover that Jesus really lived? They found the tomb of his brother where it said 'XXXX, brother of Jesus'. In that time, you NEVER tell who your brother was. There was no point, unless he was a VERY special person.

Anyway, I don't need THAT proof. But a lot of things are happening that the bible predicted.




Ummmmmmmmmm.., they discovered that that tombstone was really a fake.

[dropCGCF]

This comment here is made by so many "non-believers".


I believe, but not in the same thing as antyone else. I don't think a higher power can be told about fully in one book.


Religious people aren't weak people. They are trying to juggle two goals in their life.


I didn't mean that all religious people are weak. I believe they just waste their efforts trying to follow a specific doctrine.


It’s actually more stressful because there is more on our plate then with non believers.


I don't think so. I think me, the "non believers" have a harder time. You, and most people in the world, are confident that you're the ones going to heaven, no? I have to deal with people telling me how I am banished to hell for the rest of eternity because I don't believe what they do. It's really fun to have people tell you that you're going to hell because you neglect to do one thing that some murderers do. They're saved, I'm not. That's messed up. I'm not a bad person by any means. Some of the best people I know also do not believe in a God, they do acts for their common man out of pure compassion.


Through an unproven fact… a theory.


Catholicism must also be a theory because it has faults. I don't think the church accepted the fact (officially) that our solar system is heliocentric until the 1980's. The Church's beliefs are theoris as well. They have not been proven, and will not until the Judgement Day under Christian belief, so all religious beliefs must also be a theory since we cannot fully prove or disprove them.


Fact People beleve blindly without facts. Even when the doctrine is untrue. If you believe the Bible is the word of God (making an enthemyme here), is the Torah not? People believe that. Therefore, then they believe something that is wrong, right? Fact helps back up a theory.


This is how I look at things. If you believe in God and live a good life, that is great. If you don’t believe in God and live a good life, that is great. Just as long as you a good person (not a menace to society), I’m happy for you. I’m not going to throw my beliefs on you.


But Joeiss said that even if I were a good person, if I did not believe in Jesus, I would be banned from the gates of heaven. Is that right? Should I not get the same "holy destination" as people who were mass murderers and repented? I haven't hurt anyone. I don't deserve hell. If this is how it is, I'd rather be a good man and burn in the firey pits of hell that be an evil man who repents and has eternal life.

As for Bond...


Who are you to say what Jesus should or should not do?

Who is Jesus to decide MY fate? And don't say he's God or the Son Of God, because you have no proof.


The creation stories aren't truth, but simple stories to explain how we came to be.

But Joeiss said, and I quote:

I want to get why people don't understand that the Bible is not symbolism.

Do I see an argument?

[Joeiss]

I only said that because you said the opposite. You believe it is symbolism, and I don't. I don't think either of us will hange our stance.

[Canyarion]

I'm with Joe here, I believe the bible is litteral. :) Well except of course the stories that Jesus tells, but he really tells them as examples so....

[Typhoid]

These arguments are pointless.

When we (agnostic/athiest) ask the religious people questions, they just end up quoting the Bible, or going back to something about the bible. Like a safety net or something. They cannot encompass a life without a higher power, because they have been brought up with it.

We cannot encompass a life with their God, because we have not grown up with it(for the most part)

Which brings me back to religion being Geographical.

Christianity is basically a North American and European thing.
Muslim is Middle Eastern.
Shintoism is mainly Asian.
Buddhist is Asian.


Do you notice something here?

Each continent basically has its own friggin religion. And dont even start with Africa being Christian, because its being forced on them, they have no choice at all.

Look at it this way, ( if your religious) take your beliefs right now. Think about them. Now think if you would think of those beliefs if you were born in Iraq with 2 Iraqi parents, who also have Iraqi parents. I dont think you would be all too Christian. You wouldnt read the bible. Or believe in your now form of God.

How many Middle Eastern born people are Christian?
How many North Amrican people (meaning white and black, not middle eastern or asian immigrants) are born Shintoist or Muslim?

I agree with everything Drop has said. Every single word...exept the part where he pissed off Joiess.

Faith is blind. There is no proof to a god existing. And dont say "the Bible is our proof" because No, it isnt. Prove to me that the bible wasnt written by people hopped up on shrooms or weed or hallucinagens. Prove it wasnt written by crazy people. Prove it wasnt the Idea of a king to get people to not start an uprisal. You cant.

And yes, what about the Torah? There truly cannot be 2 literal Holy Books. But wait...the Torah was written before the Bible, so it must be truer than the Bible.

Religion has become a fad. Thats all it is. To some of you it gives hope and meaning in your tiny insignificant miniscule lives that after your meaningless existance there is something more for you. But to others it is a fad. Look at California. Look how many people have been "converted" to Buddhist, and those other Asian religions. Does this mean that most of the upper rich class of California believs in it?

How many rock stars and singers and actors, directers, stage hands whatever firstly thank god when they win an award? Now...yuo cannot tell me that every single one of these people believs in god. No, they dont. Its good for face value.

I dont think Jesus, or God or whoever apparently decides if we go to heaven or not, would care if you belive in what they tell you to believe in. I believ as long as you follow the 10 commandments, your fine. And dont say "oh, so you are religious!" Because no, the 10 commandments are friggin common sense.

I believ if there is a god, he wouldnt care if we think hes real or not, as long as we are a good person. I mean, if he is real and we go to heaven, he would have all of eternity to rub it in our faces right?

But really, what kind of lord would care if you believe in him or not? It sounds like one of those attention starved toddlers that will piss you off unless you pay attention to them and constantly look at them. And if you dont pay attention to that toddler, he will "put you through hell" and destroy things in your house. Anything to get your attention.

And one last question, what religion were the people who said the world was going to end in the year 2000?


EDIT: Basically Religion is an organised cult. Thats all it is. And Holy wars, to me, are the funniest things ever. Its a fight to see whos imagionary friend is better.

But yes, I believe there is a higher power, but not God, in any form. Like Drop said, I dont think any book, or our minds can encompass him. We can barely encompass our own existance.

[Canyarion]

But really, what kind of lord would care if you believe in him or not? It sounds like one of those attention starved toddlers that will piss you off unless you pay attention to them and constantly look at them. And if you dont pay attention to that toddler, he will "put you through hell" and destroy things in your house. Anything to get your attention.
Ok put it this way: you build an appartment and you let people live in it. Those people really mess up, they make the place dirty, they fight with eachother.. even worse, they don't pay their rent and hate you for no good reasons.

Would you be interested in them? Would you let them go on? Or would you stop them and give those few 'good' renters a chance?

And one last question, what religion were the people who said the world was going to end in the year 2000?Dunno, it wasn't us.

But yes, I believe there is a higher power, but not God, in any form. Like Drop said, I dont think any book, or our minds can encompass him. We can barely encompass our own existance. But what if this high power WANTED us to (slightly) comprehend him? He could keep things simple for us, right? Being powerful doesn't mean no one can know anything about you....

Anyway, I'm getting tired of argueing, so I won't be posting much here. :p

[Typhoid]

Ok put it this way: you build an appartment and you let people live in it. Those people really mess up, they make the place dirty, they fight with eachother.. even worse, they don't pay their rent and hate you for no good reasons.



Your analogy is slightly wrong.

Your saying we all live in the apartment god created, so we fight and whatnot, and hate him for no reason.

But you forgot to put that god also created the tennants of that apartment.

I could not hate my own creation. Its like saying you hate your child.

[Kitana85]

My philosphy professor seems to... hate his kids I mean... and they are both under the age of 5. :(

[Blackmane]

Well, that is dumb that he hates his kids. I don't think I could ever hate a child of mine.

[Canyarion]

Your analogy is slightly wrong.

Your saying we all live in the apartment god created, so we fight and whatnot, and hate him for no reason.

But you forgot to put that god also created the tennants of that apartment.

I could not hate my own creation. Its like saying you hate your child.
Well if you have a son that denies that you exist, goes his own way, does malice to others, won't listen to you and kills your other kids, would you still love him?

[Typhoid]

Well if you have a son that denies that you exist, goes his own way, does malice to others, won't listen to you and kills your other kids, would you still love him?




Well, its hard to say something you can see doesnt exist.
I would encourage my kids to have their own piece of mind.

Analogies can only go so far. You cant bring God into a physical world analogy like this. Considering hes not physical.

But yes, i would love my kids no matter what they did. They are still my flesh and blood. My creation. I made them.

EDIT: Think of religion and heaven like a math problem.

There isnt only one method to get to the final solution.

[Classic Rocker]

We are not God's children. If we were, we would be perfect. We are children of Adam. None of us are sons and daughters of God.

I'm a strong believer in the placebo effect. Your mind could be anything if you wanted it to. There is so much negative influence all around. People tellling you what you are not. If you strongly believe in something, it will turn true. Use that to your advantage.

[D-realJos]

We are not God's children. If we were, we would be perfect. We are children of Adam. None of us are sons and daughters of God.

One can't make that claim UNLESS they have experienced BOTH the life of a sinner AND the truly righteous life of one that Jesus Christ have SAVED(a saved person sins no more, and that's ONLY the "tip of the iceberg")

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name:" -- John 1:12

All my life I wondered how can we possibly live perfectly as Christ lived perfectly, especially since we are born sinners into this sinful world and are constantanly influenced by its wickedness. I finally understand, recently, -- that is; by experience. The gospel is true. All along it was true!

I will tell all when I'm ready, and most will hear and still not believe, even them that "knew" me. But blessed is he who have "ears" ... who have ears to hear, let him hear...

[Freudiana]

These arguments are pointless.

When we (agnostic/athiest) ask the religious people questions, they just end up quoting the Bible, or going back to something about the bible. Like a safety net or something. They cannot encompass a life without a higher power, because they have been brought up with it.
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question; how come u say "we agnost/atheist", i dont understand why ppl use both terms in one sentence, there are many differences, I am an agnost and do not like to be referred to in one line with atheist; atheist believe to, they believe in something _absolute_ ("there is no God..").

My question: whats ur motivation for suggesting there is something in common (or perhaps u didnt mean to suggest that..?)

(u seem to make a specification: religous ppl versus agnost and atheist. I'd see the atheist rather on the 'religious ppl síde (the same graduation of 'believe' and 'fanatics', yet about something the opposite), but either way, it is not this or that imho)

[Teuthida]

I don't think he was trying to group them into one singular catagory but rather use the two merely as an example in questioning those who blindly believe in their religion. I suppose you could make the case that an atheist could be classified as such too, but then you would be getting the inverse of how a Godhead believer (to not just call them "religious people" since you feel atheists are such, though in fact they are the antithesis of what the ture definition of a religious person is) would try to prove their point. If an agnostic isn't sure that God exists or not, wouldn't it be logical that he too would ask a Christian the same questions an atheist would? If perhaps to simply gain a better understanding as to why they believe in such?

[DarrenMcLeod]

I'm Catholic, suckas.

[Acebot44]

Agnostic now

[CHRISnwoCHRIS]

I see Gamemaster is still the most unlikeable person on the internet...

Anyways, I completely agree with what Typhoid said regarding religions and where you come from. I mean just use your head, if you were born in, like, Saudi Arabia, you'd probably be muslim. It seems that for the most part, what your family or what all the people around you believe in, that's what you believe in. So if the North American catholics/christians for example here were born in Saudi or Lebanon or whatever and taught muslim or some other religious beleifs, would you be wrong?

And I do know not every single person believes what they were born into, but that takes up the majority... And in that same subject, look how many religions there are. What are the chances that YOURS is right? You could say the same thing about NOT being religious, but that's way different. Science learns new things every day. Nobody has solid proof of how we were all created YET, but who's to say they'll never find out? Like I said they keep finding out new things, so it's at least a possiblilty.

Add to that, everything in religion sounds like a blatant fairy-tale and you can't deny that. IMO, religion is just the oldest fairy tale the world knows.

[Canyarion]

Welcome back. :)

Still Jehovah's Witness. :D