Suicide

[Revival]

Ok, after talking with BreakABone on AIM.. I felt compelled to release my anger at people who think that committing suicide is a viable solution for anything.

Well, ever since I broke up with Kristen, she's been talking about killing herself. In fact, one of her quotes on AIM was "I'm going to go get hit by a car..." Now, you never know if someone that says this is serious, but it's no joking matter either. I, personally, don't know what to think of the people that think suicide is an option for troubles. I don't know whether to deem them as one of the stupidest people in world, or deem them mentally unstable. Now, I don't know why they can THINK about suicide.. it's just not something that I can even grasp. If they could just stop and think "who is this going to effect?" I think they would be a lot better off. When someone kills themselves, it doesn't just effect them, it effects everyone around them. If they could see that, I could only imagine that it would stop quite a few people. Now, just look at these startling facts:

Suicide is the 8th leading killer in the United States
1.3% of deaths are caused by suicide
Suicides outnumbered homicides by 3 to 1
There were more than twice as many deaths due to suicide than deaths due to HIV/AIDS

Now, this tells me something about our society today. What is wrong that we convey the message that suicide is a viable way out of anything -- suicide creates more problems that anything. Now, I know that not everyone things suicide is a solution, so that's some good news. I just think that suicide is one of the worst decisions.. and if you know someone that is saying something about it.. DO SOMETHING! Call the nation suicide prevention hotline (1-888-SUICIDE).

Ok, there's my venting for now.. I just had to rank about this, it had been bugging me for a while.

[Perfect Stu]

maybe I'll respect your opinion when you got a degree in psychology and had years and years experience with suicidal patients...or if you because horribly depressed and full of anxiety for a long, long, time...because I am, and let me tell you something: your brain gets poisoned. sometimes, you don't think rationally at all. and you can't control it.

now I'm not saying suicide is right, because it's not, but I know from experience that suicide IS a reality and people SERIOUSLY consider it because no life=no pain...and they just want the pain to go away. everyday I pray that the pain in my life goes away...

[BreakABone]

Well I really don't know what to say on this issue. I can't control what people do with their lives. If they see it fit that they can't control it and believe the only way out is death. It is their choice.

I don't know what to make of the situation with ex, but I doubt you are that big of a thing to kill yourself over. What can I say. I really don't want to stress the fact that suicide is bad because I don't know what type of troubles would lead someone to that type of decision.

[Revival]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
now I'm not saying suicide is right, because it's not, but I know from experience that suicide IS a reality and people SERIOUSLY consider it because no life=no pain...and they just want the pain to go away. everyday I pray that the pain in my life goes away...
No life might equal no pain -- for that person. Think about what pain it might cause the other people.

Now Stu, I know that you've been depressed for a while, and believe me, you'll get over it soon enough, and you'll be the perfect Stu :)

[One Winged Angel]

I thought about suicide once. Everything was going wrong and I was depressed. It felt like all the choices I made were wrong and I was depressed. I was struggling so much that I was thinking reasons why I shouldn't kill myself. I'm better now and I was just going through a really rough time. I remembered I had people who loved me and cared for me. Dont commit suicide, there are people who love you... think of them more than yourself.

[Joeiss]

Suicide sucks. It effects people majorly, in a negative way. A close family friend of my family commited suicide 2 years ago (he was 17). And let me tell you, that was the worst week of my life. Everybody was so upset. It upset me that so many other teenagers were so sad. I mean, it confused everybody. This always had a smile on his face. That was until his girlfriend dumped him.

I just cannot imagine what was going through his head at the time that he commited suicide. I mean, how many people can actually take that jump of the chair?

I cannot say that I agree with suicide, but there are some positives that go along with it. It makes people aware of suicide. It shows that because of suicide, everybody hurts, and everybody knows after this happens, that is not the right way to leave this world, especially if it is something like breaking up with a boyfriend/girlfriend.

But, this is not always the case. The guy's best friend, a really close friend of mine (hell, he is like my idol) had an overdose on his antidepressant pills. I remember that next morning when his dad knocked on my door. I just knew that something was wrong. Luckily, he did not die.

As you can see, this is how people, especially best friends of the suicide victim, get messed up because of suicide. They want to be with the person who is gone. They want to see them so much, that they will go to drastic measures to see them, and that drastic measure is death.

So Shooter, you are not in a tough situation. Trust me, do not get too paranoid about this. You broke up with Kristen because you do not feel for her anymore. If she does commit suicide, it is not your fault. Why? Because she did not realize that you are not the whole world. I mean, you are just one of the fish in the sea. If she does not realize this, you have to be strong and live your life with no regrets.

Now, I just want to know if anybody has ever been in a situation that I have been in. My family friend who commited suicide. I didn't see him for like a year, and then he killed himself. I am very confused. Why? Because how can I miss him if he wasn't even in my everyday life? Am I being sell-fish by morning for him even though he was not in touch with me? So, does anybody have a feeling like this? If you do, please share it, because I need some advice.

[GameMaster]

I've never considered suicide. I'm emotionally stable though and I come from a pretty intelligent family so...

[LoudHowardZERO]

I hvae nothing to live for :baby:

excuse me whial I kill myself...

[GameMaster]

*excuses LoudHoward* ;)
I hope you were joking as well

[PureEvil]

Originally posted by Shooter
No life might equal no pain -- for that person. Think about what pain it might cause the other people.

That's a selfish thing of you to say.

It's all "you, you, you," isn't it? It doesn't matter if the person's life has been hard, you don't want them to commit suicide because you are selfish.

Same thing goes with terminally ill people. Take cancer for example. In the end stretch, the person with cancer suffers like a stuck pig. Pain gets so bad that not even painkillers can numb them. In steps a person like Dr. Kevorkian. He administers an assisted suicide to take these people out of their misery.

However, people like Shooter bitch out people like Dr. Kevorkian because they're selfish.

"It doesn't matter if my family member is suffering in a never ending blast of pain, just as long as they're alive, because I want them to be."

Know why you want them to be alive? Not for their sake. For yours. If you were thinking of someone else's sake, you'd do what is best for them, and put them out of their misery. But no, you're selfish, so even if they're overwhelmed with constant pain(physical, emotional; it doesn't matter), you want them to be alive.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your views on suicide, but I'm suggesting you try looking at it from the other side.

Pretend you're the one with the problems and the suicidal thoughts, as opposed to the friend of that person(Whom you are now). Things aren't as simple as you're trying to make them out to be.

Suicide isn't just, "Oh, I hate my life, I'm too challenged by everything, I'll hang myself." There's considerably more to it than that. Don't just jump to the conclusion that suicidals are cowards (As so many of you do). They have their reasons, just as you have your reasons for not being suicidal.

[LoudHowardZERO]

I really don't have anything to live for except my cube...

and now.. if no one else bothers me I'm going to hang myself by my G-String.... Good - Bye...

[marionette]

ok, well i have lost a friend to suicide, a close friend. and trust me, if you think suicide will make things better, it doesn't at all. it hurts all of your family, and friends. you might think its the only thing you can do at the moment, but if you hang in there, things will eventually brighten up.

[GameMaster]

I think your ill and confused PE. The suicider is the one being selfish. Some people will go any length for a little attention. :rolleyes:

[nWoCHRISnWo]

People who commit suicide are usually idiots.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
People who commit suicide are usually idiots.

I REALLY hope you're kidding :mad:

[DeathsHand]

What I wanna know is what is so important about these little teenage relationships that usually never add up to anything that would make it so one of the people would want to kill themselves when one of them ends... :confused:

And I dunno about suicide...

I don't have the best life in the world... I'm way behind in school and I have annoying relatives that ruin various family get-togethers by mentioning school every time (and that's all it takes for me to get depressed about it... we start talking about school I'm depresed)...

I have... 1 friend... and we usually only do things on weekends... and not every weekend or nutin...

So I pretty much sit up in my room by myself all day doing the same damn thing everyday and it's been going on for like 4 years now... although it was kind of fun for the first... half a year...

Sooooo basically almost all day I sit around wishing school would f*** off, wishing I had more friends, and wishing I had more to do...

My mom is usually in a bad mood or sleeping...

and my brother's just here to be annoying and leech off the family... (24 living at home with no job... immature... comes home smelling like crap all the time)... And calling me a loser and stuff like that... Yeah, look who's talking...

And I see the world differently than most people... At least I think I do... I just don't really talk about it much...

Anyways enough about me...

Basically y'know people say ooohhhh it's selfish ohhh this and that...

Or you could say... if you're so damn miserable that you'd wanna kill yourself... wouldn't it, in a way, be selfish of the OTHER people for wanting you to live through it? You want to kill yourself because you're miserable... and the other person doesn't want you to kill yourself because you make them happy or they like being around you or whatever else that makes them care about you... When it's your call... your life... if I was that damn miserable, I wouldn't care about what other people would feel when I was gone... I'm the one stuck in this world of misery, you'll eventually get over it... or at least mostly...

"there are people who love you... "

And therefore they wouldn't want you being so miserable...

And I know you can get "help"... but I even tried getting "Help" for my problems before because my parents forced me to, and it didn't work... So now I look at it as "Those people taking my parents money"... Which I don't like cuz I hear my parents talk about having to budget stuff and this and that... And now I don't feel like getting help anyways (and my problems aren't even as drastic as people who can't really think straight)... Drugs or Therapy... It's just shaping you into something you're not... are you not good enough for the world the way you are that you need to take drugs to fit in and all that?... Sad... I thought it was a GOOD thing to be yourself... oh but when yourself happens to be sad and miserable, that's all of a sudden not good... you need help... here, talk to this person, he will make you all better... anyways, that's a whole other issue... If I were in a situation like that, and I saw it like that, people saying I need "help" and stuff would just make me worse... That means, if I ever get really REALLY depressed... don't ever tell me I need "help" ;)

But I'm talking about people with problems much deeper than having their petty lil' relationship end...

But this is one of those issues where a majority of the people say one thing... but I turn it around on them...

People: Don't be so selfish, think of the people who will miss you...

Me: How about you think of the person who's so depressed it's gotten to a point where he no longer wants to live?

People: There are people out there who love you...

Me: Yeah well that person you love is sitting there suffering... Try harder to help him because he obviously can't help themselves...

and I know I said "Help" is changing them to be something they're not blah blah well help from actual friends and family and people who are in your daily lives and have been in your daily lives is different from some stranger therapist guy...

But meh I dunno... I'd never kill myself so I don't know 100% how they feel... and I've never known anyone who tried to kill themself so I don't know how the people feel when they're effected by that...

Aaaaanyways...

*wonders who is even going to take the time to read this*... *realizes probably nobody will*... *shrugs* *hits "Submit Reply"*

:burger:

Edit: Stu, you'll have to excuse Chris... He's the idiot here... :sneaky:

And it seems the replies to this message have like doubled since I started typing this up... I guess I should have typed and thought faster...

[nWoCHRISnWo]

If I said I was joking, THEN I would be kidding.

[Jin]

Suicide is a long term solution for a short term problem. Life can be difficult periodically and for some the pain is continuous. I can understand why someone would just want to get it all over with, but suicide isn't the answer. Suicide affects the people closest to you more than you'd think. I mean, if my sister commited suicide it would hurt me so much that I would never be able to recover. Imagine how you would feel when you just found out someone close to you decided to run away from their problems by taking taking their life. That's may be why I've never gone through with it, because I know it would devestate my family. Even if you argue and have problems sometimes with your family, they do care about you whether you are aware of it or not.

[GameMaster]

Has an animal ever been convicted of committing suicide?

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
If I said I was joking, THEN I would be kidding.

you realize you just entered an intelligent conversation...in other words, you don't belong here....go post about meaningless things like wrestling...

and to get back on topic, I was literally inches away from killing myself once...I was about to slit my own throat because the emotional pain I was going through was TOO MUCH. my parents saved my life that day...my dad took the knife away from me, and took me to the hospital...

since then, I've met some people on the internet who I absolutely love as friends (terese, deathshand) and I am feeling better and better every day. I hope that one day the pain goes away completely...

and about the whole "selfish" thing...that's bull****...if I knew someone who was in unbarable emotional pain, and ended their life, I would obviously be sad, but I'd probably realize that they're in a better place...and that the pain is no longer hurting them...

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by Gamemaster2002
Has an animal ever been convicted of committing suicide?

hmm well there is some proof that other animals commit suicide, but the fact is with no legal system they can't...

Come to think of it.. no one is ever convicted for commiting suicide.. you can't charge a dead person

[GameMaster]

Why not?:confused:

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by BreakABone

Come to think of it.. no one is ever convicted for commiting suicide.. you can't charge a dead person

What about attempted suicide, where they try a method that's not quite as direct as shooting themselves in the head or something... and they survive? :confused:

I dunno if there's any kinds of stupid laws and they punish people for trying to kill themselves or anything...

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by DeathsHand


What about attempted suicide, where they try a method that's not quite as direct as shooting themselves in the head or something... and they survive? :confused:

I dunno if there's any kinds of stupid laws and they punish people for trying to kill themselves or anything...

Hmm attempted suicide is different than what I'm talking about.. I'm talking about really commiting the crime... But yeah people are convicted for attempted suicide.. I don't know what tha does for/against the person since they have no will to live to begin with

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by BreakABone

But yeah people are convicted for attempted suicide..

That's so sad it's not even funny...

Does the government have to get involved with everything nowadays... :confused:

[Andromida_]

G just tell everyone Shooter!!!!!!
OK EVERYONE! SHOOTER BROKE UP WITH ME!!!!
G now the world knows, how bout I call the news company and have them broadcast it!
Would that make you happy?!?

AND ON ONE LAST NOTE!!!
I've only said ONE time, ONLY ONCE that I was going to get hit by a car only because Shooter had me SO upset. and NOW he continues to do it just to get that reaction.
G if the world didn't know it, I would think he would actually want that to happen.

OMG Shooter you are such hypocrite. When I broke up with you were acting the same exact way, and I DIDN'T SAY A WORD to the forums!!!
But now that it's out SHOOTER LIES PEOPLE!!!

[Mechadragon]

I think I we better just stay out of this.........

[Drunk Hobbit]

As long as you can change a single aspect of you life then suicide should not be an option. Run away from home and start a new life if you have to but don't destroy any possible means of living.

Locked in a prison cell with no chance of ever getting out. That may be a cause to think of suicide. You may then meet someone while in prison who you can talk to and thus have some variety.

Continuly doing the same thing and getting depressed is no reason to kill yourself. Try something new. Try to meet new people. Travel.

Not many people are so trapped that they can't do a single thing that will release them from their depression, at least for an instant. If there's anything in the world that can cause you to smile then ending your life is no possible option.

*Expressing my opinions on the issue of suicide itself.

[GameMaster]

What happened to being Shooter's Princess? :confused:

[Ginkasa]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
People who commit suicide are usually idiots.


Actually, a lot of the people who commit suicide are failry intelligent beings. Their lives just suck so much at one given moment thet they become temporarily (most times) mentally ill and can't think straight. Depression. I'm not talking about the one day depression that comes after just a bad day or anything, I'm talking about serious not doing anything at all except thinking about your life sucks and you wish the apin would all stop depression.

Both my parents have gone through it. My dad seriously threatened to kill himself. He's not an idiot. He was just having problems then.

You have to understand that when people kill themselves, or even just think of suicide, they're not like they normally are. You might not be able to grasp it until you see it for yourself but until you have someone close to you kill themselves or come close to it, I bet you won't think they're idiots.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

1. Anyone else find it funny that if your opinion is different than that of Perfect Stu's, whatever you say is deemed unintelligent conversation? :rolleyes: I could go talk about wrestling... And you could go tell us how you have no friends, what's your point?

2. I agree 100% with Danchastu's post.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Well they may be technically "smart" but they're idiots to me. I can see the people who have certain diseases and whatnot that have them in physical pain every single living moment or not being able to move by yourself, but killing yourself over anything else is simply idiotic to me.

[GameMaster]

A old prophet down at the local synagogue once said to me, "A life is a terrible thing to waste."

[Gamer]

hehe, synigog.

[GameMaster]

Did I spell it wrong? :confused:

[Kitana85]

With all respect to Andromida, thank you for posting you view on the situation. It seems that we are going to carry on this discussion for the pure interest of it now.


I know people who have SERIOUSLY attempted suicide. Most of them were later diagnosed with clinical depression or bipolar disorder. These diseases can go undiagnosed all of ones life. The person may feel extreamly happy one moment and devestated the next, or may feel forever as if they simply can't be happy. But what many of you don't seem to understand, is that these people CAN'T be happy. Their brains don't work that way. They are missing or have too much of certain chemicals. The medication is what fixes that.
Many of you seem to be against the medication. Would you not give an asthmatic their inhalar during an asthma attack? If someone had uncontrollable high blood pressure, would you not give them stableizing drugs? Many of these people have SERIOUS disorders that their upringing and intelligence level are irrelevant to.
Am I saying that everyone who commits suicide has a clinical disorder? No. But what I am saying is that many of them do, and it's not their fault. The people who don't are still not seeing things clearly. The positon where many of you stand tells that you have never experienced that deep a depression. When one feels that empty or painfull inside, all rationality, ideals and truths become a non constant.
Do I believe suicide is ever right? No. People have to speak out to stop it. The suicide rates are too high. But we don't need to comdem these people so much as to listen to them and treat them medically and psycologically as needed.

[Revival]

:lol: Sorry Kristen, but I didn't post htis just to bring the topic on the forums aout us breaking up, it has quite a bigger picture -- as you can see.

Erm.. that's all I'm going to say on that for now..

Oh yeah, these are some really good posts here, I like to see people's different opinions..

[Neo]

Originally posted by Shooter
:lol: Sorry Kristen, but I didn't post htis just to bring the topic on the forums aout us breaking up, it has quite a bigger picture -- as you can see.


I question your motivations. If you want to talk about suicide alone you can do it in another thread.