What is Canada?

[Gamer]

I have a question for all Americans, what do you see Canada as? I'm asking this because I am under the impression that most Americans are very misinformed about Canada. And im not just talking about eastern Canada (such as Toronto) I am also talking about western Canada, like Alberta and British Columbia. So what do you think it is? A snowy ice cap, or a virtually same place as the states...without the guns?

[Kitana85]

Its a really really big cold place with very loose ties to Great Britian. It has nice people, some of whom speak english, others of whom speak french. You mentioned terrain, it has various types of terrain... its a big place...

[Rndm_Perfection]

Very touristy, very beautiful, very mountainous. The economy looks good... considering it's close to the Pacific, I assume it doesn't snow much except for in the mountainous regions.

The cities get big. Not quite New York big, but getting there (Houston size, methinks).

French speaking is more of an East Coast thing, isn't it? As for the west, I doubt the majority is bilingual (taking another language in a class at highschool does not make you bilingual).


Canada seems to not want much to do with international affairs. It just wants to live and prosper, not heal the world and be vigilant. It seems to me that Canadians are under the impression that the standard American is a lot like the elected officials; often times corrupted... or just plain ignorant of the world around them. The fact is, teens in the states are like teens in Canada. Same values, same thought processes, just different positions which would mean brought up with different beliefs.


So.. err, yes... Canada is like the States but without guns (which means potentially more unanswered violence). Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[Happydude]

i think canada is a magical place where the happy fairy lives and makes people happy...



and it has an M4A1 Carbine assault rifle for those people that aren't happy :sneaky: :D

[Kitana85]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

But I've never seen anybody shot without a gun

[Rndm_Perfection]

But I've never seen anybody shot without a gun

O_o That's like saying you've never seen someone punched to death without fists, or stabbed to death without a stabbing weapon..

Guns make killing people easier... it also makes defending yourself easier. If the only weapon a person had was his/her own body, then defending yourself would be extremely difficult, and catching somebody (being a cop) would be very difficult as well.

"Stop, or I'll punch you!"


Edit:

P.S. If guns were ever made, but not legal, then only those with evil intention would try hard enough to get their hands on the weaponry... and therefor have a large advantage over those trying to defend themselves. If guns were legal, then... while it'd be easier to get your hands on a gun, you'd have to realize that everyone else can defend themselves if you tried to kill them.

P.P.S. If possible, I'll own a gun, know how to use it, and let people know about it. The playing field will be even, and nobody will want to get into a fight about it. Bwuahah.

[Kitana85]

hun, exactly, its harder to defend yourself, and to kill others without a gun... the murder rate might be lower if we didn't have guns

[jeepnut]

*Turns his face to feel the wind.*

I think I sense a change in topic coming Joe. Wonder if this one will be as bad as the last...

[Happydude]

ok guys...back to canada with it's happy farie!!!

[Kitana85]

ok guys...back to canada with it's happy farie!!!

:sighs: fine, be like that

[Happydude]

:sighs: fine, be like that
aw, come on baby...you need someone to cheer you up? :stud:

[Jonbo298]

I see Canada as the "free'er" version of the US. Also as a place to go with a friend of mine if the draft was ever brought back before I hit age 25.

But overall, I see it as more peaceful and whatnot.

[Dyne]

Here's a quote that I've found effective.

A Canadian is an unarmed American with Health Insurance.

:p

[Happydude]

Here's a quote that I've found effective.



:p
:lol:

[Vampyr]

I see Eastern Canada as being like New England, in the United States. Big cities, and the like. I see western canada as being like western USA, only with more snow and the like.

I see the North West and the Yukon Territories as being tundra. I may be wrong in thinking this, but I see those two territories and being the kind of place the eskimos settled in, with few towns, and far between. Thats the same way I see Alaska.

I also think of a few words: meh, eh, and hoy. I talk to Canadians on the net so often that I use these words in everyday speech. My ex was the same way. we had a lot of online Canadian friends, so I have learned a great deal about them.

Another important thing I think of is peace. Canada is not a military driven country, in my eyes. More like mediators and peacemakers.

A quote from a guy named Colt, who invented the handgun - "I have made all men equal."

This means that a big guy cant pick on the little guy anymore, because they are all on a level shooting, er playing field. I think guns were a great creation. It not guns that kill. Its people.

[Jason1]

I see Canada as a bunch of usless un-inhabitable freezing cold land. Even though I suppoouse thats not entirely true. And I suppouse the people are nice or whatever...not much different than Americans....

[Joeiss]

The United States should be the more free.. But it is not... I mean, I think that the Canadian and American etho should be switched up.

U.S. etho: "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
Canada etho: "Life, Liberty and the Security of the Person"

I think that US wants their lives to be much more secure... And Canada is going more along the lines of the pursuit of happiness with the gay marriages and marijuana stuff.

Physically, I see Canada as a sweet place! lol... Great beauty up north.. But you cannot really settle it, unless global warming goes into full swing. I know I am Canadian, but don't worry, I think Canada has some flaws. I think that cities such as Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver can never be as big and have the status of cities like New York because of a simple thing... The size of the streets and the sidewalks! Such a little thing, but it makes all the difference...

And we need some more hockey teams.. yep.

[Dyne]

The United States should be the more free.. But it is not... I mean, I think that the Canadian and American etho should be switched up.

U.S. etho: "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
Canada etho: "Life, Liberty and the Security of the Person"

I think that US wants their lives to be much more secure... And Canada is going more along the lines of the pursuit of happiness with the gay marriages and marijuana stuff.

Physically, I see Canada as a sweet place! lol... Great beauty up north.. But you cannot really settle it, unless global warming goes into full swing. I know I am Canadian, but don't worry, I think Canada has some flaws. I think that cities such as Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver can never be as big and have the status of cities like New York because of a simple thing... The size of the streets and the sidewalks! Such a little thing, but it makes all the difference...

And we need some more hockey teams.. yep.

The Jets aren't welcome back for sure. ;) But for the country that created hockey, yes, we should definitely get some more teams. I'd be happy. More ass for the Canucks to kick. :sneaky:

[Ace195]

Thats funny dyne.. That and I like the new Sig :)

[Vampyr]

Thats funny dyne.. That and I like the new Sig

Yes. I plus repped him for it already. Awesome sig.

[Happydude]

Yes. I plus repped him for it already. Awesome sig.
:offtopic:

STAY ON TOPIC PEOPLE!

[Ace195]

Why I don't live in canada :P j/k.. I'm not too sure about canada I've never been there I wouldn't mind going but.. Mish :offtopic: mwahahah... hey other people who know about overclocking post in oveclocking for me plz.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

lol, living in canada its hard to look at myself from outside the looking glass, but i'll say this that living in toronto and BC is pretty much hte exact same as living in Seattle or Houston, maybe even new york.

when i was in gr.9 geography we watched this video entitled "American Ignorance" which was a guy goin around to diff. parts of the states and asking questions about canada to various american citizens and it was just halarious, here is what i remember from that video:

Some guy in Texas -

About how big is Canada?
Uhh, pretty dang big, i'd say about the size of texas

Did you know VCRs were just legalized in Canada?
Really? Already?

What are your thoughts on the Polar Bear hunting marathon every year on Toronto?
Oh, I think its very creul and should be stopped immediatly


lol, i think it was random that said that canada is not interested in "healing the world", thats completely untrue, because since it's creation, Canada has been the only country to send peace keepers to EVERY SINGLE UN peacekeeping/peacemaking operation

[Perfect Stu]

aw, come on baby...you need someone to cheer you up? :stud:

Today's your lucky day, happyd00d...I just made you my b*tch.

1) Say you're sorry. And mean it. C'mon, don't be shy little one. Go on. Say it.

we'll start there, and see how things work out.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst ;) If I had to pick one if I were you, I'd concentrate on the latter. Peace.

[Dylflon]

Gimp covered it. We have a peace keeping force. And we've participating in almost every major war in the last 100 years. We were involved in both World Wars long before the Americans were.

I also think of a few words: meh, eh, and hoy. I talk to Canadians on the net so often that I use these words in everyday speech. My ex was the same way. we had a lot of online Canadian friends, so I have learned a great deal about them.

Haha. Those aren't really terms all Canadians use. Just me. Except I don't say eh. Most Canadians don't. That's just a silly sterotype. But hoy is mine. It's how I say hi. Do you know anyone else who says it?

I said "How's by you" once to an American online. I think it might have been Vampyr. It's just my crazy way of saying How are you doing. I was asked "Is that some crazy Canadian slang?" I laughed.

[Gamer]

Here is my interpretation of Canada (as viewed by me, a Canadian). We live in a huge landmass, with cities spread fairly far apart, but where there are large cities, is where everyone is. Most people in Canada live in the city, otherwise it is mostly farm land. As for snow, it is cold for about 6 months of the year, where it does usually snow somwhat. Otherwise, summers reach mid 90's (30's Celcius) and in the winter sometimes as low as minus 30 or 40 celcius (yes its brutal.

The government functions similarly to the US one, only we have a prime minister, and for some reason they are focusing on gay marriage and pot laws. If you come to Canada i think you will find it to be a clean and enjoyable place, where you dont...well almost dont have to worry about being mugged or such.

As for speach, i say eh (lol), and meh, but hey, why not. I play hockey and it is my favorite sport. And well, i dono, thats about it.

[GameMaster]

I've never been to Canada. In my mind I envision a place that's always cold and snowy and not very developed. Small towns with family owned businesses, no large corporate companies like SafeWay or Kinkos. Small places that aren't chain restaurants like Uncle Ben's Waffle Palace or Howards Hamburgers. Yeah, I know this is probably very far from the real Cananda but I've never been to Canada.

[Dylflon]

I've never been to Canada. In my mind I envision a place that's always cold and snowy and not very developed. Small towns with family owned businesses, no large corporate companies like SafeWay or Kinkos. Small places that aren't chain restaurants like Uncle Ben's Waffle Palace or Howards Hamburgers. Yeah, I know this is probably very far from the real Cananda but I've never been to Canada.

Wow. Maybe in small towns your viion is true. Actually...not even. There are big businesses everywhere. You're silly.

[Happydude]

lol...you really need to come to the T-Dot (toronto) :p


EDIT: lol, forgot bout you Stu...so let's just put it this way...you're the lucky one right now since i really don't feel like doin much but goin to sleep, which i will do after this post...and secondly, i wouldn't apologize because Kitana is so damn sexy :p and she likes me more then you anyway :D

[Vampyr]

Haha. Those aren't really terms all Canadians use. Just me. Except I don't say eh. Most Canadians don't. That's just a silly sterotype. But hoy is mine. It's how I say hi. Do you know anyone else who says it?

I said "How's by you" once to an American online. I think it might have been Vampyr. It's just my crazy way of saying How are you doing. I was asked "Is that some crazy Canadian slang?" I laughed.

Ive heard more than you say hoy, and most of them have been Canadian. Perhaps you said "hoy" to someone one day and then it spread all throughout canada???

I do hear "meh" quite a bit from Canadians, though, and started using it myself.

And yes, you ask me "How's by you" once on MSN. Never heard that before, nor have I heard it again.

[Rndm_Perfection]

I do hear "meh" quite a bit from Canadians, though, and started using it myself.

"meh" is a term used out of sloth... as used by the Simpsons characters many times.

and I quote

"meh, M-E-H"

Seeing as how the Simpsons utterly despise Canadians, they would not use one of their terms as a token word.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

"meh" is a term used out of sloth... as used by the Simpsons characters many times.

and I quote



Seeing as how the Simpsons utterly despise Canadians, they would not use one of their terms as a token word.
thats true, i picked up meh from the sipsoms, and eh is probably the most versatile word in the canadian language! it can be used at the end of ANY sentence!

[Rndm_Perfection]

it can be used at the end of ANY sentence!

:sneaky: Then you don't know the proper use of "eh". "Eh" is used to request confirmation. Sounds about right, eh?

[Jewels]

But I've never seen anybody shot without a gun

tazoring guns have a good effect too... just without the bullet and the blood, just shocks of electricity to where you cant move... =-D

[Jewels]

To me canada is a great big peice of land with mountains, terrains, snowy cold parts, ah what the hell am i saying... i've never been to canada, im just describing it of what other peeps said, but to me, its a huge peice of land with not enough american movies...

[Happydude]

but to me, its a huge peice of land with not enough american movies...
HAH! :rolleyes:

[Dylflon]

its a huge peice of land with not enough american movies...

We get all of your movies. And we watch them.

True story.

Meh is the equivelent of a shoulder shrug. And did you know that Matt Groening's father is Canadian and that's who Homer Simpson is based on? Pretty nutty.

[Happydude]

We get all of your movies. And we watch them.

True story.

Meh is the equivelent of a shoulder shrug. And did you know that Matt Groening's father is Canadian and that's who Homer Simpson is based on? Pretty nutty.
cool...

[The Duggler]

Yes we get all the movies, but they're also all shot over here :P

[The Germanator]

Canada is cool. I've been there 4 or 5 times. We actually played a rock show there once for the North by Northeast extravaganza. The Canadian woman at the border said, "you guys don't look like rockers"...It was a fun time, and I'll go back to Canada soon enough because my family has a house and cabin in Maine about 20 minutes away from Canananananada

[Joeiss]

:sneaky: Then you don't know the proper use of "eh". "Eh" is used to request confirmation. Sounds about right, eh?

Exactly! Most Canadian use "eh" in the right form.. They just don't really know what it means. It basically makes a statement a question, or a request of information like you said.

ie.

Joe: "That movie was really good, eh"
Bob: "Yes. Yes it was."

[Perfect Stu]

lol...you really need to come to the T-Dot (toronto) :p


EDIT: lol, forgot bout you Stu...so let's just put it this way...you're the lucky one right now since i really don't feel like doin much but goin to sleep, which i will do after this post...and secondly, i wouldn't apologize because Kitana is so damn sexy :p and she likes me more then you anyway :D

apologize to the lady for putting her on your 'list of shame'. any girl who's being persuited by you must feel pretty damn bad...

and btw...your attempt at intimidation is quite comical. Gary Coleman scares me more than you ;)

[Vampyr]

"meh" is a term used out of sloth... as used by the Simpsons characters many times.

Hmmm, well, thanks for setting me straight on that one.

when i was in gr.9 geography we watched this video entitled "American Ignorance" which was a guy goin around to diff. parts of the states and asking questions about canada to various american citizens and it was just halarious, here is what i remember from that video:

Some guy in Texas -

About how big is Canada?
Uhh, pretty dang big, i'd say about the size of texas

Did you know VCRs were just legalized in Canada?
Really? Already?

What are your thoughts on the Polar Bear hunting marathon every year on Toronto?
Oh, I think its very creul and should be stopped immediatly


Well, the movie was entitled "American Ignorance", of course they wouldnt show any intelligent Americans in the movie. Most of us here are not that dumb. I will admit that us Americans do not know as much about current Canadian events and Canadian culture as Canadians know about America. How would we? All the news on channels such as CNN is American news, or about America in another country. We dont even have the opportunity to learn about current Canadian issues.

I could go out and make a movie and call it "Canadian Ignorance", but I doubt I would get anything like what was in "American Ignorance", simply because Canadians know more about America than Americans know about Canada.

But like I said before, most Americans are not stupid enough to say that Canada is the size of Texas. Obviously that moron has never even glanced at a map. And about the VCR's, I have no idea why an American would say that. The things that come to most americans mind is this "Cold, Snowy, Hockey, and fishing." The other "first thing" that comes to peoples mind is that Canada is like Americas brother. That is how a common layperson sees Canada.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

lol, i heard an interesting comment today :

Canada and america is like kazaa and kazaa lite, all of the good stuff none of the sh*t :D
i don't actually believe this, well on some points such as the lack of slavery in Canada as well as guns not being part of the constitution, but other than some points, Canada is essentially the same thing as america, in fact many of the stars in hollywood and music come from canada, including jim carrey, ashton kutcher, Shania Twain, Not By Choice, and many more that i can't remember off the top of my head, but you'd be surprised. Also many movies are shot in Canada, such as bulletproof monk, all of that was Toronto. in any case, Southern Canada is just aboot the same thing as america.

Also where did the "aboot" originate, because i've known all the time that it was from americans, but than south park said it was canadians, but the only reason i say it is because it sounds funny. I have yet to meet anyone that uses it on a daily basis

[Hero2]

what comic was it that said all canada has for a navy was a tug boat =-D

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

lol, thats actually very untrue during the second world war, Canada had a bigger Navy than the Americans :p

[Mechadragon]

lol, thats actually very untrue during the second world war, Canada had a bigger Navy than the Americans :p
Considering how much of our navy was lost in Pearl Harbor, that doesn't surprise me.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

i meant before that

[Hero2]

we still took two beaches to your one

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

we still took two beaches to your one
true, but we got ours first :p and we had less than half your troops

[Joeiss]

lol, i heard an interesting comment today :
well on some points such as the lack of slavery in Canada

Know your facts before you post. There was slavery in Canada. If you want me to talk about it, I will, lol.

we still took two beaches to your one

And we also got further than anybody else, and then had to come back and help out the Brits and the Americans... so your point?

[Hero2]

we alos took the heavest beachs you got the easy beach

[Joeiss]

It really doesn't matter man.

If they would have switched positions, the opposite would just happen. American troops would have pushed through, and Canadian troops would have needed help. It makes no difference in the end.

And I am not sure if you are trying to make fun of the Canadian Military of this time... Because anybody who knows anything about war knows that whenever the Canadians would move into a position (especially in WWI), it meant something big was about to happen.

[Hero2]

lol operation human shield

[Joeiss]

:unsure:

[Hero2]

when your playing a WWII game do you think your playing canadians because when I play a WWII game i have the mind set of an american army personel.

[Joeiss]

Why would I think that I am a Canadian troop when I am playing a video game based on American events?

[Hero2]

i dont know you canadians are screwed up like that =-D

[Seth]

Hollywood isn't a reliable history curriculem.

[Hero2]

the history channel is

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

how about we leave it at this, both canada and america are great places to live, Canadian armys have been known throught history as the shock troops of the world wars, and america is now the largest military force in the world, the point is that its not a competition for.....I DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU"RE ARGUING ABOOT!

[Happydude]

CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC?!


exept for Joe...go on :D

[Dylflon]

Aw man. You're being an idiot, Hero2. I wish you knew what you were talking about but you don't.

And America did a good job in WW2 and 1 (despite being late to both) but we all seem to forget about a little place called Russia.

Russia took out more Nazi troops than any other country. If Hitler didn't attack Russia he might have won the war. Go Russia!

And Joe is right about the Canadian forces and big things. Canadian troops came up with most of the trench tactics in WW1 that are in American soldier field guides today. The Canadian army was a thing to be feared.

But really Hero2. You're just kinda letting words fall out of your mouth. I like Americans but I don't like Americans like you. You don't know what you're saying nor do you bother to learn the facts.

[Happydude]

may i add something? GOOD!


RUSSIA PWNS EVERYBODY! *goes to find smiley with russian flag*

*doesnt find out*


i hate you neo...

[Dylflon]

WHENEVER LIFE GETS YOU
DOWN, MRS. BROWN, AND
THINGS SEEM HARD OR TOUGH,
AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID,
OBNOXIOUS OR DAFT AND YOU
FEEL THAT YOU'VE HAD QUITE
ENOUGH...

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving,
And revolving at 900 miles an hour,
That's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power.

The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour
Of the Galaxy we call the Milky Way.

Our Galaxy itself contains 100 billion stars
It's 100,000 light years side to side
It bulges in the middle, 16,000 light years thick
But out by us it's just 3,000 light years wide

We're 30,000 light years from galactic central point,
We go round every 200 million years
And our Galaxy is only one of millions and billions
In this amazing and expanding Universe
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light you know,
12 million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.

So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely it is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
Because there's bugger all down here on Earth.

[Rndm_Perfection]

And America did a good job in WW2 and 1 (despite being late to both) but we all seem to forget about a little place called Russia.

Russia took out more Nazi troops than any other country. If Hitler didn't attack Russia he might have won the war. Go Russia!

And Joe is right about the Canadian forces and big things. Canadian troops came up with most of the trench tactics in WW1 that are in American soldier field guides today. The Canadian army was a thing to be feared.

The arrival of American forces were near necessity to end both wars. The American troops were only "late" because the nation was once isolationist. When the war hit home, the States fought back. After the war, because the masses with views similar to yours felt America was "late", the nation grew in power and planned to be the first to jump to a conflict, rather than the last.

Russia did a lot of fighting, but they lost more troops and civilians than they were able to take out (both wars). The Russian losses dwarved those of all the other nations combined. It wasn't the Russian troops directly, but the Russian winter that defeated Hitler. Oh yeah, Stalin, too, was an evil bastard. Good quotes though ¦¬Þ

I also feel that Hitler did not lose the war just because of the Russian winter. The combined forces of the other nations could've tackled the problem (even though Hitler was much more prepared for war... he had a spectacular military base). If all else failed... there was the nuke for endgame. Not that nukes are the "nicest" thing to do, but they sure are effective.

Saying Canadian forces came up with trench tactics? The trench wars were fought on the fronts by Germany and France. Maybe Canada sat down and worked out "etiquette", but the system itself is very European.

The Canadians probably did have a stronger military system, as they weren't as isolationist as the States. However, when the United States was called to action, they got their gear built up pretty fast.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

One thing that i bet most americans dont' know is that the only reason Canada was dragged into the first and second world wars was because of England. Canada was just as eager to be an isolationist, but at that time we still had ties to the Union Jack, and we kinda got pulled in anyways.

[Dylflon]

Saying Canadian forces came up with trench tactics? The trench wars were fought on the fronts by Germany and France. Maybe Canada sat down and worked out "etiquette", but the system itself is very European.

The Canadians probably did have a stronger military system, as they weren't as isolationist as the States. However, when the United States was called to action, they got their gear built up pretty fast.

Canada participated in WW1. They fought. They fought hard. They had some major victories. That's not "sitting down".

[Rndm_Perfection]

Canada participated in WW1. They fought. They fought hard. They had some major victories. That's not "sitting down".

What the hell does that have the do with the quote, and why did you put sitting down in quotation marks? Are you trying to take those words out of context? Are you trying to make it look like I said the Canadians did nothing to help in the world wars? That is, despite the fact that even what you quoted proves otherwise.

The Canadians probably did have a stronger military system...

and

Maybe Canada sat down and worked out "etiquette", but the system itself is very European.

The Candians did not design trench warfare. However, it is possible that they influenced the more effective and "modern" uses of trench warfare. And I assure you that recording specifics requires sitting down unless you know that the Canadian decided to record the "etiquette" while standing up!

Do not take my words out of context.


Back to the damn topic:
Canada is a snowy place without guns... :sneaky: I'll pretend that's all I think about it right now.

[Joeiss]

One thing that i bet most americans dont' know is that the only reason Canada was dragged into the first and second world wars was because of England.

Ummm... We were not dragged into the second world war... We went to parliament and voted to do so. We could have said no just as easily.


And... Hitler and his Nazi's could have won WWII so easily.. but they are idiots and didn't capitalize on some major events...

[Vampyr]

but the Russian winter that defeated Hitler

anyone else find it cool that the last two Anti-Christ have been defeated by a Russion Winter?

1) Hitler
2) Napoleon

[Perfect Stu]

i dont know you canadians are screwed up like that =-D

ok Joeiss has CLEARLY shown he more intelligent (among other things) than you on this subject...so I'd really just quit right there and hold onto the last scrap of dignity you may still possess

[Happydude]

ok Joeiss has CLEARLY shown he more intelligent (among other things) than you on this subject...so I'd really just quit right there and hold onto the last scrap of dignity you may still possess
lol...i kinda agree, not to be mean or anything...but it's true :p

[Joeiss]

And all from taking only 1 and a half history courses at school, hahaha.


And I do not think the Nazi's were defeated by the Russian winter alone... There was much much more.

[Ace195]

ok Joeiss has CLEARLY shown he more intelligent (among other things) than you on this subject...so I'd really just quit right there and hold onto the last scrap of dignity you may still possess
Oh believe me he lost that a long time ago.

And I do not think the Nazi's were defeated by the Russian winter alone... There was much much more.

I agree with you there Ie. the sniper wars and the battle of stalingrade.. Those were major factors of the defeat of the Nazi war machine. But in counter, the winter of Russia is a Major factor in their defeat if they had the weather they did when they attacked they would have easily overcome the russian forces.

[Joeiss]

Nazi's just made a bunch of poor decisions... if they made good ones, they could have won the war easily. And maybe if they picked up a history book, they could have beat Russia too.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

And all from taking only 1 and a half history courses at school, hahaha.


And I do not think the Nazi's were defeated by the Russian winter alone... There was much much more.
lol, the russians as well :D

[Happydude]

lol, the russians as well :D
:lol:

[Crono]

The Russian tanks were also superior to the Nazi Panzer tanks. As well, defeat was not an option for Russia, and Stalin knew that, and if he had to kill his own soldiers to defeat the Germans, then he was prepared to do so. And finally, Soviet tanks and soldiers greatly outnumbered the Germans, which was another major factor. In fact, Hitler once said "If I had known that they had 10 tanks for each of our tanks, I would have reconsidered invading the USSR." Well, that's not a direct quote, but he said something like that. The point is, the USSR defeated two thirds of the Nazi Army, and they were a major factor in the defeat of the Third Reich.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

The Russian tanks were also superior to the Nazi Panzer tanks. As well, defeat was not an option for Russia, and Stalin knew that, and if he had to kill his own soldiers to defeat the Germans, then he was prepared to do so. And finally, Soviet tanks and soldiers greatly outnumbered the Germans, which was another major factor. In fact, Hitler once said "If I had known that they had 10 tanks for each of our tanks, I would have reconsidered invading the USSR." Well, that's not a direct quote, but he said something like that. The point is, the USSR defeated two thirds of the Nazi Army, and they were a major factor in the defeat of the Third Reich.
i'm nt to sure about the russain tanks being superior, i rmeember reading that the Germans were much mroe prepared and advanced in military fasions, mainly because as soon as hitler came in power he started the training of 10 year olds and such to prep them for war, and then when they became older they were all gung ho and stuff, not only that, germany also had a lot more time to prepare (before they made an alliance with USSR), in the end it was Hitler being stupid that brought the downfall of the Nazis, because he decided to turn on Russia



ANYWAYS, BACK ON TOPIC!!!

[Hero2]

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa :)

[Ace195]

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa :)

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[Dylflon]

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa :)

Oh. I should be so ashamed. You're still an idiot. When am I supposed to know when you are joking or not?

Sorry for taking your words out of context Rndm. And I didn't mean the Canadians made up trench warfare but I meant they came up with a lot of strategies that are still practiced today and are in soldier field manuals.

[Crono]

i'm nt to sure about the russain tanks being superior, i rmeember reading that the Germans were much mroe prepared and advanced in military fasions, mainly because as soon as hitler came in power he started the training of 10 year olds and such to prep them for war, and then when they became older they were all gung ho and stuff, not only that, germany also had a lot more time to prepare (before they made an alliance with USSR), in the end it was Hitler being stupid that brought the downfall of the Nazis, because he decided to turn on Russia



ANYWAYS, BACK ON TOPIC!!!

The Soviet T-34 tank WAS THE best tank in World War II.

"Since Ukraine was the center of heavy industry in the USSR in the 1930s it produced much of the armaments before the German invasion. One surprise Hitler's army encountered was the T-34 tank which was designed and built in Ukraine in the Kharkiv Tractor Factory. The German general von Runstedt called the T-34 the "best tank in the world" and von Kleist said it was the "finest in the world." The first Ukrainian T-34 tank, no. 1, was tested by successfully driving it 1,000 miles from Kharkiv, Ukraine, to Moscow, Russia and back. The T-34 medium tank was superior to the German Panzer tanks because it had a more powerful cannon, a higher top speed (32 MPH to 25 for the Panzers), the armour was so superior that German shells bounced off it, superior welded construction invented by Academician Paton, and it had a wider track so it did not get bogged down in mud like the German Panzer. The Germans decided that the Ukrainian T-34 tank was so superior to the Panzer that they would have copied it but "Unfortunately for Germany this was not possible. German engineering technology was not up to it, many of the special alloys used in its construction were not available," states Andrew Kershaw in Weapons & War Machines (New York 1976) p. 192. (Incidentally, in 1995 the Ukrainian T-84 Tank being built in Kharkiv is again considered the best in the world.)"

http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-26.html

Built in Ukraine (and if you know anything about USSR, Ukraine was part of the USSR), and so the tank was used by the Soviets, and was ultimately superior to the Panzers. And of course Germany had more time to prepare for war. I don't think the Soviets were expecting a German invasion, but because of Hitler's hatred for Stalin, war between the two was unavoidable. USSR was communist, Hitler was fascist, war was almost certain.

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa.

World War II was actually the height of the Soviet Economy, thanks to Stalin's "5 year plan", which dramatically increased factory and industrial productions. The real collapse of the Soviet economy came in the 1980s, near the end of the Cold War.

[Hero2]

i thought they were having revoutions due to the fact they were sending all the food and supplys they had to the front lines

[Crono]

Thumbs up for Stalin!

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[Vampyr]

I love it when Crono does this...

Putting everyone in their place. +rep.

[Seven7]

The Soviet T-34 tank WAS THE best tank in World War II. <snip>

Yes I agree that overall of all of the tanks I have read about in my study of WWII weapons history over the years, that the T-34/85 was the best. Widly exported after the war, it saw front-line service in Africa as late as the 1980s and some may still be in use in the former yugoslavia and Albania.


Now how about some Canadian tank history.

How about the fact Canada had there own tank called the The Canadian Ram Cruiser Tank.

It was a unique Canadian evolution of the American M3 Medium (Grant/Lee). It had been acknowledged as early as August 1940 that the British would be unable to meet our requirements for cruiser tanks, and Montreal Locomotive Works (a subsidiary of American Locomotive Co., which was already building tanks) was designated as the Canadian Tank Arsenal. It was judged that the excessive height and inferior armament configuration of the M3 series could be improved upon locally, and a new tank was designed around the excellent M3 engine and drivetrain.

Unfortunately, during the process of design, the British specification for cruiser tanks mounting a 2 pdr gun was adhered to, and the 60-inch turret ring of the Grant was retained, thus restricting the Ram from ever being upgunned beyond 6 pdr. (then) Colonel Worthington himself had argued for the minimum of a 75mm main gun, but was overrulled by the Interdepartmental Tank Committee under the influence of the British Tank Mission. While this was happening, however, British experience on the battlefield was already dictating the necessity for a heavier main gun, and the early 2 pdr Ram did at least get a turret with a readily detachable frontpiece, which could be removed with gun in place and replaced by a 6pdr assembly.

The prototype Ram rolled off the assembly line in June 1941, and general production of the Ram I began that November. Within three months the line had been changed to Ram II production, which continued until July 1943, at which point the decision had been taken to re-equip British and Canadian units with the abundant and better-armed U.S. Sherman. A total of 1948 Rams of all marques were produced, the last 84 of which were the O.P. variant carrying a dummy gun and two No. 19 Wireless sets for use by the FOOs (Forward Observation Officers) of the Sexton-mounted artillery regiments then being formed.

In its cruiser configuration, and limited by its small turret ring and 6 pdr gun, the Ram never saw combat, but was used instead for the training of armour crews in Great Britain. By late-summer 1944, with the war raging in Northern Europe, even that function had all but ceased, but the Ram found new life, and went on to do yeoman service, in a number of variants including the Kangaroo armoured personnel carrier, Badger flame tank, Wallaby ammunition tank, armoured gun tower (for the 17 pdr towed AT gun) and ARV. Sadly, most of the Rams which survived the European war ended their time as hard targets on a variety of tank ranges, and few examples remain.