how do you feel about the nwo angle?

[Bizzyman]

do u think itll pay off?

like...none of them can wrestle... maybe itll make vince SOME money cuz nash, hoga, and hall are huge names, but how about in the long run?

how are they gonna keep the fans interested for 3 years? with the same old boring matches.i dont think hogan can last 15 min with the rock- which is the only one he said hell job to. and a 15 minute wrestlemania main event aint gonna cut it..

i think vince is stupid for doin this

[Ridley]

Bizzy what the hell are you talking about? Hogan may not wrestle like he used to (but he can still wrestle), but Hall and Nash can still wrestle well. The way it sounds to me is you're saying they'll be the only ones in the nWo or something :confused:. If that's the case, then man are you wrong :D. Vince is anything but stupid for doing this, if done the right way, this will get a lot more fans watching, which means more money and more ratings. Now granted, it may not turn out to be a success, but I think it will anyways. 3 years down the road, the nWo may still be there, they may not but as for the here and now, it should prove to be very successful. In 3 years they'll probably have come up with something else anyways ;).

[nWoCHRISnWo]

This won't make Vince "some" money, it'll make him a lot. Just imagine the sells on the nWo shirts alone. Definitely for the short term, he'll make money.

As for "none of them can wrestle..." what have you been watching for the past few years? You think Vince cares about WRESTLING? Anyhoo, IMO Scott Hall is a better wrestler than most of the guys in the WWF right now, Kevin Nash is a big man who's just as good as most big men (may be lazy, hold people down, etc. but this is the WWF owned by Vince now, not WCW where Nash did whatever the hell he wanted. He's supposedly in great shape and shaved off some pounds since we last seen him in WCW.), and Hogan is Hogan. If you think the nWo, more specifically Hogan, ain't gonna make money, you're kidding yourself.

I've always felt Hogan's matches were underrated (as Hollywood mainly). He plays one of the best heels in wrestling, and while he's not Chris Benoit, I ****ing enjoy it. He does everything a heel is "supposed" to, a real old school heel. He uses eye rakes, scratches, eye pokes, low blows, rolls out of the ring to avoid fighting, gets his opponents to come to him, etc. And even if you don't like his matches (I've felt a few cage matches he's had were great, like Savage vs Hogan, Hogan vs Bossman, no joke) they're almost always memorable. Hogan vs Warrior, Hogan vs Savage, Hogan vs Andre the Giant, who's ever gonna forget those?

And I don't think Hogan is gonna be a wrestler in WWF for very much longer, buy Vince would be crazy NOT to have Hogan wrestle for a while. There are a lot of dream matches just waiting to happen that will be bigger money drawers than The Rock/Austin will ever be. The Rock vs Hogan, Steve Austin vs Hogan, Ric Flair vs Hogan again, it doesn't take a moron to figure out that these matches should take place before Hogan retires.

And as Ridley said, nWo isn't only going to be those three guys... You put Jericho and Mr. Perfect in there (and Angle, although I don't think he really fits, it looks to be shaping up that way kinda...) and you've got a group full of big names, and they can wrestle, too.

And "same old boring matches..." So you're saying you'd rather have the nWo NOT come in, and see The Rock fight Kurt Angle, Triple H, or Austin for the eight millionth time?

Hogan didn't say he'll only job to The Rock either, where the hell did you pull that from?

Vince IS stupid for doing this, I agree there, but that's only because he would have never had to do this if he didn't screw up the Invasion angle in the first place. He's now doing what he should have done in the first place.

PS. Why does everyone have to whine about everything? People bitch about nWo being rehashed again, they bitch about Hogan, Hall, and Nash being old, they bitch about them holding down talent, they bitch about what they'll do in WWF as if they can tell the future, they bitch all the time. Why don't you just enjoy WWF now, it's the best it's been for a while. When's the last time WWF built up a PPV as good as NWO 2K2? Like Wrestlemania 17? The way I see it, The Road to Wrestlemania (from RR to WM) is always a great time for WWF, stop bitching and enjoy it.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Bizzyman
do u think itll pay off?

like...none of them can wrestle... maybe itll make vince SOME money cuz nash, hoga, and hall are huge names, but how about in the long run?

how are they gonna keep the fans interested for 3 years? with the same old boring matches.i dont think hogan can last 15 min with the rock- which is the only one he said hell job to. and a 15 minute wrestlemania main event aint gonna cut it..

i think vince is stupid for doin this
If you don't think he's going to make any money look at these very forums. Do you see the nWo avatars and sigs?

[Ravishing Rick Rude]

Originally posted by Bond

If you don't think he's going to make any money look at these very forums. Do you see the nWo avatars and sigs?


* Looks at avatar*

No...

:)


Bizzy: you have no idea how much money vince willl make because of this.

You think those RVD Thumbs and shirts sell quickly? The nwo is like 100x more catchy, the symbol is so great, the music is bad ass
and the wrestlers can put on good 4 star matches.

So pretty much No Way Out is gonna be.

Just........Tooo........... ( NWOChris Finish This off)

[Joeiss]

Damnit... I can't watch No Way Out tonight. :( I feel so violated, somehow.

Like Nova said, nWo t-shirts selll like crazy. I should know, I only have 3 of them ;)

[Professor S]

The NWO angle won't get over if the WWF uses them like they did last night.

Blech, that was awful

:Puke:
http://my.glasscity.net/~dsmith/dave/gif/nwo.gif

[Ridley]

Oh man I don't even want to mention No Way Out :mad:...... but I will :D. Angle vs. Y2J? That's so damn lame. Of course the way I see it, that won't be the main event for the title come WMX8. Also about the nWo, it wasn't a terrible return at NWO but they could have done so much more with it.

[Professor S]

I have no idea WHY the WWF decided to just have them walk out and do a lame promo. That totally killed their heat.

They should have just run out and beat the crap out of Austin and cost him the title, while doing all thier signature spots. The crowd would have exploded. But as was evident sunday night, the WWF really didn't want a hot crowd I guess.:D

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Strangler, I somewhat agree, but after Raw things have changed and nWo looks like it's gonna be "grand."

And HOGAN IS GOD! His interview was ****ing amazing. "I made wrestling!" "If it wasn't for me, none of you would be here!" The corwd alternating between "ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY!" and "HOGAN! HOGAN! HOGAN!" was amazing. Nobody else in this sport can, as a heel, make people say 'ROCKY SUCKS! ROCKY SUCK!"

Just imagien when he turns face again, The Rock thinks he's popular...

[Professor S]

he already did turn face again, in the WCW, and then the WCW folded like a pair of 2's. Hulk Hogan's return is good for a dream match or 2, but this is in no means a comeback.

Hogan's time is DONE. Once he gets in the ring and tries to work with the younger guys, you'll know why. As for his big pops,thats to be expected with a legend. If Ric Flair had come back to the WWF as a heel, he would have gotten the same face reaction from the crowd. If it lasts past WM however, thats a different matter.

As for Raw, they did a great job of getting the NWO over after a horrible introduction, I will give the creative team that. Even if the whole Ambulance was a little too over the top.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
Just imagien when he turns face again, The Rock thinks he's popular...

Hells yeah. I can't wait until Hogan walks down to the ring in the good old red and yellow, or should I say red and yella... lol. If Hogan has one last stint as the "Real American", boy will I be happy.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Strangler I ment when he turns face again (as in for another time, not for his second time). Anyhoo, I disagree with you. Hogan's time is definitely not done. He never did rely on his in ring work for any of his heat (face heat or heel heat) and as long as Vince plays him right, he could last a while. He has charisma that few match, and when you're that good on the mic, you'll get places whether you're good in the ring or not (especially a legend).

And Ric Flair would have got a pop, but NOTHING like that of Hogan. The marks don't like Hogan because he's a heel and they like the Rock, the smarks don't like Hogan because they think he's an old guy who doesn't put anyone over and can't wrestle, yet he got the pop he did. You have to realize that he was standing face to face with The Rock, RIGHT AFTER dissing the crowd and acting like an arrogant son of a bitch, and the night after costing Austin the Championship, and the people were chanting "Hogan! Hogan!" Say what you want, but Flair wouldn't have got that. That was amazing. I think it'll last long past Wrestlemania too.

[Professor S]

Chris, you are marking out over here. I understand that you are a Hogan fan, but still, he alreeady did put the red and yellow back on already and it FLOPPED. Its old and cheesy. Will it be good for a cheap pop? Of course. But so is this whole NWO angle if they don't get any new high up recruits in there.

But if they start building the NWO "B" team like they did in WCW, this will just fail eventually. It has been proven again and again in this industry, you CAN'T go home again.

As for Flair not getting the same pop? You're definitely marking out for Hogan there. Flair was the FIRST heel to get face pops in the history of wrestling. Did Hogan inspire the entire wrestling fan community to spontaneously shout "WHOOOO!!" everytime anyone knife-edge chops someone? No, that was Flair. Plus Hogan might have dissed the crowd, but you could tell his heart wasn't in it. His body language wasn't that of a heel at all. He STILL played up to the crowd, but then again thats about it for him in the ring anyway. That is a no-no if you're truly trying to get over as a heel. He doesn't WANT to be a heel. He wants the crowd to like him. As long as he is a likeable heel, that will work. The red and yellow WON'T.

Wrestling fans become programmed over time to react a certain way to wrestlers. For example, whenever The Undertaker comes out on his hog with "Rollin" playing, the crowd face-pops for him, but they boo everything else he does afterwards (except for the hardcore Undertaker fans). That is because the fans have been programmed in the Skinner Box that is profressional wrestling arenas to react that was to that stimulus. The same is true for Hogan. When he looks at the crowd and cups his ear with his hand, the crowd would go nuts even if he clubbed a baby seal in the middle of the ring. He isn't playing the heel, no-matter what half-assed heel promo he gave.

Also, notice his chants didn't really get that loud until AFTER the Rock got in the ring and confronted him? They were chanting for the match-up more than just for Hogan.

Plus, that episode of Raw was in the mid-west, Chicago I believe. The mid-west is pretty much known as mark-central. If that Raw was broadcast from Philly or NY, the pop would have still been big, but the NWO fans would not have been out in such full force. The WWF knew this and thats why they fully debuted the NWO when they did. They didn't get that much of a reaction the night before in Jersey. Not even close.

With that said, Hogan and The Rock will make for an ELECTRIC Wrestlemania. But the WWF will be hard pressed to keep the angle going after that. Hell, they had to wreck a Semi and an Ambulance to really get it started.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

"Chris, you are marking out over here."

I sure as hell am, but nothing's wrong with that. There's too many smarks who look ONLY for workrate alone and take the negatives of every single situation.

'he alreeady did put the red and yellow back on already and it FLOPPED."

I don't think something that happened in WCW at that time can be compared to... Well to anything. Hulkster coming back to the WWF after a ten year hiatus (is that the right word?) going against Vince McMahon would be MONEY.

"Its old and cheesy"

That's what everyone says about every old angle. And how said you can't change it? I said make him a face again, not make him exactly what he was in 1992.

"But if they start building the NWO "B" team like they did in WCW, this will just fail eventually."

What's your point though?

"As for Flair not getting the same pop?"

If I'm marking out for Hogan, you're being an uber-mark for Flair here. Flair didn't get the same pop and he came back as a face.

"Flair was the FIRST heel to get face pops in the history of wrestling."

I hope you're kidding.

"Did Hogan inspire the entire wrestling fan community to spontaneously shout "WHOOOO!!" everytime anyone knife-edge chops someone? No, that was Flair"

So what, it's a catchy thing to do. Same way the fans will say "R...V...D!" whether or not Van Dam is a heel or face.

If Flair was as big a name as Hogan, then Vince would have got Flair to wrestle The Rock, and later I'm sure Austin, not Hogan.

"Plus Hogan might have dissed the crowd, but you could tell his heart wasn't in it."

Whoa, now you're just acting crazy. He blatantly made fun of them, mentioned Michael Jordan, and was acting as arrogant as hell, and just acting arrogant makes you an instant heel in most cases.

"no-matter what half-assed heel promo he gave."

Ahh, the truth comes out. You're just like 90% of all the other smarks. You won't give Hogan any credit at all. I don't know what standards you go by, but that promo was fantastic.

"Also, notice his chants didn't really get that loud until AFTER the Rock got in the ring and confronted him?"

That means nothing, they were showing that they liked Hogan and/or respected him over the Rock. If anything that works against your argument here.

"They were chanting for the match-up more than just for Hogan."

I guess that's why they were chanting "ROCKY SUCKS!" and bowing down to Hogan, not to mention chanting for Hogan before any match was made. :rolleyes:

"The WWF knew this and thats why they fully debuted the NWO when they did. They didn't get that much of a reaction the night before in Jersey. Not even close."

No, they debuted them fully when they did because it was the night after the PPV that they interfered in the main event of...

They didn't get too big of a reaction because they didn't do much. On Raw, Hogan made his interview, they kicked the hell outta the Rock, Austin called them out, etc. And since when does it matter where they are? I guess Flair's pop in the Carolina's or any place he wrestled in earlier shouldn't count either.

"With that said, Hogan and The Rock will make for an ELECTRIC Wrestlemania. But the WWF will be hard pressed to keep the angle going after that. Hell, they had to wreck a Semi and an Ambulance to really get it started."

No they didn't, the crowd was going crazy during the Hogan/Rock interview, the beating was just a great addition.

[Professor S]

Chris, re-watch the tape of Hogan's promo. he put much more feeling in the first part where he thanks the audience and the WWF, than the second part.

There is nothing wrong with being a mark. But it clouds your judgement in this matter.

Flair WAS the first HEEL to get face pops. if you want to argue that point go ask the guys over at 1werstling.com, they know a lot more than we do about wrestling and they wrote a whole article about how he INVENTED the likeable heel. He got face popes as a heel back in the early eighties. So I hope YOU were kidding.

Yes, Hogan win the red and yellow would draw and make big money, but NOT in the long term. Thats a hot shot angle at best.

You are right about RVD, but if Raven went out and did the thumb gimmick, would anyone chant RVD? No. But it Raven used a knife edge chop you're damn sure the whole crowd would yell "WHOOO!!"

Flair is just as much of a legend as Hogan ever was, it just depends on what part of the country you're in. They were in Chicago. Hogan came up in the mid-west in the AWA. Naturally he'd get a huge pop. Go down to the Carolina's and see what happens with Flair and Hogan comapratively. If you want to know why he has put The Rock up against Hogan insyead of Flair, just look at the entire Invasion angle. Vince has done nothing but BURY pretty much everything that has to do with WCW. Flair is WCW, but Hogan is still said in the same breath as the WWF. Vince feels more comfortable with Hogan up there while he books himself on the same level as Flair. Thats rediculous. Plus Hogan is bigger and younger than Flair, so it makes more sense realistically.

"I guess that's why they were chanting "ROCKY SUCKS!" and bowing down to Hogan, not to mention chanting for Hogan before any match was made."

That is one of the worst exagerrations I've heard in a long time. A lot of fans chanted for Hogan, but I only saw a HANDFUL of fans bowing. And by NO MEANS was the vast majority of fans there chanting for Hogan as you say. Check the tape. it goes back and forth.

As for the entire scrowd chanting "Rocky Sucks", Its funny that I didn't hear ONE "Rocky Sucks" chant. I heard a lot of "Rocky" and a lot of "Hogan", but if their were any "Rocky Sucks" chants the "sucks" parts were added by the Hogan fans. You're stretching there.

Hogan's promo was not fantastic by any means, and if you think it was you are acting foolish. Youb are marking out and not thinking straight. The promo was an average one at best, he had to mention Michael Jordan just to get a semi-heated reaction. Thats called cheap heat. And I stand by my assertion that he deosn't want to be a heel. His body language screamed face all night. I will stand by this to the end.

"They [NWO] didn't get too big of a reaction because they didn't do much [at the PPV]. On Raw, Hogan made his interview, they kicked the hell outta the Rock, Austin called them out, etc. And since when does it matter where they are? I guess Flair's pop in the Carolina's or any place he wrestled in earlier shouldn't count either."

They didn't get that big of a reaction because they were in Jersey, the North East isn't going to mark out for the NWO without good reason. If that debut hasd been in Chicago, the Hoganchants would have been defeaning. As I said earlier, the mid-west is Hogan country, so if yo want to count Hogan's pop last night, Flair's in the Carolina's and Virginia does too.

I never said that Flair was bigger, but he is as big. No, I'll give Hogan a bigger star status because he has more of a name in Japan, but in the US they're even.

But I'm also not saying that Flair SHOULD be put back in the ring, his time is DONE too. the only difference is, I think he realizes it. Sure he'll wrestle the occasional match, but for all intents and purposes, he is retired.

And no, I am not some smark who just cares about workrate. If thats all I cared about i wouldn't watch the WWF at all. I like The Rock even though his workrate is as low as Hogan's.

I'm trying to speak realistically here. Hogan is nostalgia. Nostalgia does not last. The Ultimate Warrior's comeback did not last. Piper's comeback did not last. Savage just steadily went downhill, even though he positioned himself up top repeatedly. Anytime ANY of these men got big reactions was when they eithert revisited the past, made a comeback, or left and then made a re-comeback. Each time the comebacks did not last.

That being said, will Hogan make Vince money? Yes, but not in the long term. Once the nostalgia wears off, the crowd will grow bored. Hogan's time as top dog is DONE. No amount of hoping will change that.

But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong

But I doubt it :D

[nWoCHRISnWo]

The way you made it sound the first time was that Flair was the first heel to ever get cheered at all, by like one person. Then you made it more clear and I realized it wouldn't have made much sense if you ment what I thought, so no problem there. But that was in the past, and Hogan is just simply more popular now in the average city.

"Flair is just as much of a legend as Hogan ever was, it just depends on what part of the country you're in"

It depends on how you define "legend" really. But ask your grandma who Ric Flair is. Then ask your grandma who Hulk Hogan is. Do this to a million other grandma's and I'm pretty confident that the majority will know who Hogan is and not know who Flair is. When people say wrestling, people think Hogan.

And no, not everyone was bowing, but as for them cheering "Hogan! Hogan!" that was as clear as anything. Same as the "Rocky sucks! Rocky sucks!" Those two were very real.

"Hogan's promo was not fantastic by any means, and if you think it was you are acting foolish. Youb are marking out and not thinking straight."

For Raw standards, that promo was that damn good, and the majority of the people on various message boards that I go to agree with me. It's all an opinion thing pretty much, and more people have the opinion that is was great than not I think.

As for the comebacks you named, Hogan is the biggest name in professional wrestling. That alone gives him a huge advantage over the guys you named. And booking will have a lot to do with this, if this fails it will NOT be Hogan's fault. Whether it was carrying the WWF or carrying the WCW, he has what it takes to not drop the ball and if (that's a big if) Vince uses him right, it could last a while. Judging (which you can't really judge from one show though...) by Raw, they're playing this angle up not too bad I think you'll agree, and any angle played right will last a while.

As for if Hogan will last, that depends on if you mean his face comeback or just plain him if that makes sense. He still has big money matches with Vince, Austin, The Rock of course, Flair, etc. and these feuds could keep him around for another two years.

[Matusha]

I agree with Chris.Hogan was like the most popular wrestler in the 80's and made the WWF #1.He is the reason why wrestling is the big thing it is today.

[Professor S]

I will give you Hogan as being bigger becasue he is a household name among non-wrestling fans. That is true.

But the whoile crowd WAS NOT cheering for Hogan. THAT was obvious. As I said The "ROCKY" and "HOGAN" chants alternated. I have re-watched my tape twice now at that point and anything else you want to hear, it is you wanting to hear it. Thats it. No argument there. The crowd was split. You should be happy with that as a Hogan fan.

As for if Hogan fails, it won't be Hogan's fault, thats REDICULOUS. Hogan is OLD. O....L....D.... OLD. He does identify with today's younger fan. He has slowed down considerably in the ring, not that he was ever like lightning or anything to begin with, so no one will probably notice. It will take EXTRA booking to keep his storylines interesting.


How long before Rocky starts humiliating him on the stick? How long before all the bald jokes start coming out?

"As for the comebacks you named, Hogan is the biggest name in professional wrestling. That alone gives him a huge advantage over the guys you named. And booking will have a lot to do with this, if this fails it will NOT be Hogan's fault. Whether it was carrying the WWF or carrying the WCW, he has what it takes to not drop the ball and if (that's a big if) Vince uses him right, it could last a while. Judging (which you can't really judge from one show though...) by Raw, they're playing this angle up not too bad I think you'll agree, and any angle played right will last a while."

This angle will last to Wrestlemania. A little further with excellent booking. I do not agree that it will last. Nostalgia is nostalgia, no matter how big the name. As for Hogan being the biggest star ever in wrestling, that in its self is arguable. Stone Cold on average drew bigger houses, bigger ratings and did this over a longer period of time than Hogan when he was the top dog in the eighties. Plus, Stone Cold did this AFTER the mass exodus from WWF and the steroid scandal, so he basically rebuilt the comany, and didn't just ride on Hogan's success in the WWF. But I'll give you that Hogan is a bigger star to keep you from having a coronary.

Plus, you say that Piper wasn't as big a name as Hogan, but I believe that Piper was the FACE in their last feud. There is no argument there either.

I think Hogan can last 2 more years, maybe more, but NOT in the title picture. I thought thats what you were trying to say, that he should be feuding with stars like The Rock the whole time. People won't buy it. He has one title match in him at most, and he has a very good chance of humiliating himself in there if he gets in with a younger guy. Hell, even I would like to see him in a title match again. They should put the title on Triple H and then give him the shot, since Triple H has slowed down since the quad tear. But if he goes over clean to ONE top WWF star, Vince will be making a HUGE mistake. The locker room is already not happy that they're in the WWF in the first place.

If the WWF pushes the NWO as dominant wrestlers over their hgome grown talent, you will have the same problem in the WWF that you had in WCW, and there really will be poison injected into the WWF.

But it looks like we're not going to agree on this, no lets agree to disagree. My fingers are getting tired. :D

[BigJustinW]

I'm not paying close attention to what you are arguing about but lets look at the facts...

When Hogan was in the WWF, it was the biggest wrestling company in the world...

When Hogan was with the WCW it was the biggest wrestling company in the world...

When Hogan left the WWF it went down hill

When Hogan stopped wrestling in the WCW it went down hill

Now hogan is back in the WWF... if the ratings get better, Hogan was and still is the most popular wrestler ever.

[Matusha]

I have 1 question.What the hell is dblns.?And why is mine -9999999?

[Professor S]

Fact, the WWF was the biggest it ever was without Hulf Hogan.

Fact, when Hogan left the WWF the ratings were already going down. Why do you think Vince tried to pass the torch to the Ultimate Warrior.

Fact, Hogan attached himself to the NWO angle becasue he saw it going places and didn't want to be left behind. I credit Hall and Nash more with the success of the NWO than Hogan. The Outsiders are what made the NWO cool.

Fact, when Hogan stopped wrestling for the WCW it was already going downhill worse than it was going downhill in the WWF when he left.

Will the ratings go up? Yeah, but probably only a little. I don't expect a huge increase in gates or PPV buys. I even expect the PPV buytrate to go down soon, but that has no refection on Hogan. The WWF is raising prices.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Agreed to agree to disagree, but I must say I think you're definitely wrong on one point.

Hogan meant more to the nWo than the Outsiders ever did. Without Hogan, nWo wouldn't have been arguably the best angle in history.

Oh yeah, and the Rock is great on the mic, but I think you're not giving Hogan enough credit there. And if he fails, Hall's always there, and that guy can make people look like fools.

Andddd I don't mean Hogan will fight for the title, but I do mean he'll fight the top level main event guys for as long as I previously stated.

[Professor S]

I have to argue with you on the Hogan/NWO thing. It was reported by many people backstage at WCW at the time that Hogan saw the NWO going places, and then jumped on the bandwagon before it left him behind.

And Hall can humiliate people on the stick, if he stays sober. And from the looks of the beer belly he's got he hasn't been laying off the sauce. I hope the rumors of him straightening up in japan are true though, because at one time he was one of the best on the mic and in the ring.

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Fact, the WWF was the biggest it ever was without Hulf Hogan.

Before Hogan, WWF was crap

Fact, when Hogan left the WWF the ratings were already going down. Why do you think Vince tried to pass the torch to the Ultimate Warrior.

Yeah... but WCW wasn't even in the (Television) Pic yet... WWF was still the biggest...

Then Hollywood Hogan premered on WCW (even before nWo came) and WCW started kicking WWF's ass.

Fact, Hogan attached himself to the NWO angle becasue he saw it going places and didn't want to be left behind. I credit Hall and Nash more with the success of the NWO than Hogan. The Outsiders are what made the NWO cool.

Nash and Hall were a Tag team, Hogan is a world championship contender, nWo would have never got as big as is now if it wasn't for Hogan joning... Remember when Hogan was a heel, and Goldberg beat him on Nitro? Did you see how the crowd reacted? They would never get that pissed if Hall and Nash lost.

Fact, when Hogan stopped wrestling for the WCW it was already going downhill worse than it was going downhill in the WWF when he left.

Hogans last visit to the WCW, the ratings were still great... Remember Nash beating Goldberg, and the touch of death by Hogan to Nash? That was all in Hogan's last WCW return, when he left is when WCW went to hell.

Will the ratings go up? Yeah, but probably only a little. I don't expect a huge increase in gates or PPV buys. I even expect the PPV buytrate to go down soon, but that has no refection on Hogan. The WWF is raising prices.

Yeah, wrestlemainia is coming, and you expect the PPV buys to go down... that makes perfect sense.

[Professor S]

Ok, I'm done arguing with you guys because you make up things and then say they are facts. I could go to 1wrestling and research the ratings archives to show you how wrong you are, but its not worth the effort, you'll just make up more excuses. If being a Hogan fan means you can't think rationally or with logic, then you guys go ahead and keep on believeing whatever you want to believe.

As for buyrates, I wasn't including Wrestlemania. Thats like averaging NFL ratings while including the Superbowl. Expect the PPV buyrates to go down after Wrestlemania when the WWF jacks up the prices. I know I won't be ordering them anymore.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

I'm making up stuff? :confused:

You'll come back to argue. They always do.

Just because Hogan was in the nWo after Hall and Nash doesn't mean he wasn't as important. Sure nWo was going places, but saying Hall and Nash meant more than Hogan, THAT is making stuff up.

"Fact, the WWF was the biggest it ever was without Hulf Hogan."

So a whole company's profits are directly dependant on one man? The WWF with Austin, Rock, or anyone after Hogan simply would not have been possible without Hogan in the first place. Do you honestly thing that WWF would have been even close to as big as it was without Hogan? Wrestlemania would have never been what it was in the first place, therefore WWF would have never been what it is now. Other stars may have helped the WWF's evolving, but noth compared to Hogan.

Fact is that Hogan MADE WWF and gave it the chance to be what it is now, and Hogan WAS WCW when WCW was competiting with (and beating) the WWF.

And I didn't wanna bring it up, but I never said the whole crowd was chanting for Hogan, I said it was alternating just as you said. You could clearly hear the chants of "Hogan!" though, and that's something not short of spectacular. Nobody else in wrestling can get that kind of ovation, in mark city or anywhere, and there are a lot of Rock marks by the way...

[Matusha]

justin is wrong.When Hogan first came around July it didn't immediately start kicking WWF's ass. In fact it was better before Hogan came.

[Bizzyman]

no way out was crap.......

whoever said hall can cover for hogan, is wrong, hall is worse than hogan. nash had to keep his hands up just in case hall couldnt pull off the razors edge. it was horrible. and i cant even look at hogans droopy and wrinkly face. face it,he nor none of these performers could pull off 30 minutes with the rock, which is a good length main event.

and havent u wondered why they arent using kevin nash yet? its cuz of hall. they wanna have a back up in case hall does something crazy or gets drunk and cant perform.

dont get me wrong, hall used to be my favorite wrestler. but now hes just crap. he looks like an old man trying to be cool, same with nash and hogan.

the crowd is going to start being less and less intrested, especially with the way they are "destroying" and then apologizing. why did they apologize? that must of been some of the worst booking ive ever seen. and that truck running into the rock? how the hell is he suppose to be fully healed by wrestlemania? and community service for attempted murder? o yeah, and im shane mcmahon...

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Bizzyman, I agree with a lot of what you said, but that's Vince's fault, not nWo's. Anyone can screw up an angle, it doesn't mean it's the wrestlers who are involved are at fault. After Smackdown, it makes me wonder why Vince even brought in the nWo. If he wanted to bring in three guys to look like pansies, he should have got three cheaper guys.

And I don't believe I said Hall could cover up for Hogan in the ring, I said Hall was also great on the mic.

And yeah, WWF doesn't trust Hall, but does that take away from his wrestling persona? If we were judging all wrestlers by their personal lives, then Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Flair, etc. would be considered ****ty wrestlers.

[Professor S]

Bizzyman, don't waste your time here. Hogan fanboys don't respond well to logic.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Self, don't even bother. Hogan haters don't respond well to logic.

[Professor S]

Once I hear some, I'll start replying to this thread again.

[Bizzyman]

i dont hate hogan.......k?

[Professor S]

I don't necessarity hate Hogan either, believe it or not. I actually... *swallows crow*... would kind of like to see one last run of Hulkamania, or at least my inner pre-teen Hulkamaniac would.

But the wrestling purist in me has very big issues with the idea of a wrestler nearing the age of 50 still being pushed to the top of the card. That is for other, younger guys who have worked a long time and deserve their time in the sun. That is my issue with Hogan, that and the fact that he reallt isn't a very good worker in the states,but he never has been so there's no point in me going there. The truth is most wrestling fans don't give a crap as long as he "Hulk's up" and hit the Big Boot and the Leg Drop of Doom.... I'm not kidding... thats the real name of it.

Actually, Hogan was a decnet worker in Japan. I remember watching tapes of him in New Japan and SWS and not believing what I was seeing. He actually hit a rolling jujigatame. I had a double take.

Anyway, thats my deal with Hogan. I feel he needs to pass the torch. Hopefully he plans to do that at Wrestlemania with the Rock. But something tells me not to hold my breath...

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Oddly, Hogan had a series (or maybe not a series... Anyhoo...) of cage matches with the Big Bossman years ago, and they weren't that bad. :eek: