Suikoden III: The Success

[Rndm_Perfection]

Awright... after a good browse through one or two threads, I've noticed that the profile references to Suikoden in general have been growing! Hooooorah! Almost wants me to ressurect my old screen-name, the "corrupt monarch" (which those from GCC may remember).

Apparently, Suikoden III is THE game that has sparked the well-deserved mass-appreciation. I see people not only using avatars of the basic characters from the new game (Hugo, Geddoe, Chris... so forth)... but I even saw a Shu! That guy's the man (Shu that is). Obviously, the person (Crono, not CrOnO) who is using this avatar has actually begun the game and realizes as I had before, that Shu is the amazing mastermind that designs the shape of the epic structure of the Suikoden games. Aside from just Shu's appearance, there are also experienced references to the true runes and (as I recall) several quotes.

Sure, it may look like I'm some pansy-ass ranting and raving about his favorite game... but it means quite a bit of me to actually have more intelligeable people in the world. The more people watch Animé (along the lines of Evangelion and Boogiepop Phantom), read epics, and play/understand such RPGs as Suikoden... the less I'll have to grip my head and wail out in agony, trying to make conversation with those that are stuck on Spongebob Squarepants and Tifa's massive chest (which I particularly do not mind discussing... but it gets old).

Thank you all who played Suikoden III and enjoyed it. I have much respect for those who do so!




... Bwuahahahaha




Anywho, beside my ranting and raving about the wonders of Suikoden, I'd like everyone else to do the same. Those who've stepped into the world of Suikoden should have no problem spilling themselves. Suikoden's just too good to keep bottled up inside. Go ahead, yell out how Viktor is so damn cool!

[DarkMaster]

Edge is teh coolness!

all these years i've disregarded the suikoden series and never paid any attention to it. now i've played and completely beaten S3 and i want more! i'm going to be ordering S1 and S2 from the internet this summer when i get a job. i cant wait to play them. i only wish i would've picked up on the series earlier, but now i must start from the beginning and make up for the time i wasted not playing S1 and S2.

bow down to thee, Suikoden!!

[Crono]

It's a shame that Suikoden isn't as popular as FF. Ever since Suikoden III, I have been really interested in the series. Like DarkMaster, I wish that I had picked up on the series earlier. I just finished the secret POV in Suikoden III, and I must say, the entire game was great. I highly recommend it to any rpg fan.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
It's a shame that Suikoden isn't as popular as FF. Ever since Suikoden III, I have been really interested in the series. Like DarkMaster, I wish that I had picked up on the series earlier. I just finished the secret POV in Suikoden III, and I must say, the entire game was great. I highly recommend it to any rpg fan.

You're not the only one. I wish I played Suikoden II in my PSX days.

[Crono]

Originally posted by CrOnO_LiNk
You're not the only one. I wish I played Suikoden II in my PSX days.

You should look for Suikoden I and Suikoden II on the internet...although, half.com went from having 8 in stock to now only having 1 in stock that is 120$ US...I hope Konami re-releases them or something.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
You should look for Suikoden I and Suikoden II on the internet...although, half.com went from having 8 in stock to now only having 1 in stock that is 120$ US...I hope Konami re-releases them or something.

Yeah, I am sure Konami can somehow manage to port Suikoden I and II over to the GBA. It's true, some PS1 games such as Tales of Destiny can be ported over to the GBA. Just change the graphics a bit, format MP3's to MIDI's, and just fix a little issues and you're done.

Also, to get back on topic, I was kinda hoping to play as the Flame Champion...(The real one) I thought and hoped that once all 3 characters meet up, you'll play as the real Flame Champion as the main character.

I chose Hugo, and just beat the hard ass Water Dragon. Funny thing is I chose Chris' chapter 4 and I am playing as Geddoe to go help Franz and his hometown. Wierd...

I am using Hugo, Sgt. Joe, Edge, Jacqes, Queen, and Fubar for now. I don't know why I couldn't bring Chris' and Geddoe in my team while I was fighting the Water Dragon. Anyways, I am on level 52 and I've been playing for about 51 hours. So, how am I doing? Please add no spoilers.

[Crono]

You're doing fine. It took me like 3 tries to beat that water dragon.

And if they do re-release them it won't be on GBA. Becuase in Suikoden 2, you can upload Suikoden 1 data, and without memory cards, thats impossible. Same thing with Suikoden 3, you can upload Suikoden 2 data, and you won't be able to transfer a GBA file to a PS2.

I hope they re-release it on PS2, they can have both of the games on 1 disc.

And btw, Suikoden III won RPG of the Year on PS2 at gamespot.com...:D From GameSpot:

Suikoden III emerged as one of the biggest, best surprises of the PlayStation 2 fall lineup, giving role-playing fans starving for a suitably outstanding follow-up to last year's Final Fantasy X something to really sink their teeth into. While Suikoden III doesn't have quite the same broad appeal as last year's best PS2 role-playing game, it does have a long, involved quest, a great story, and tremendous depth, making it the obvious choice for this category. Even amid competition from higher-profile games like Kingdom Hearts, Suikoden III still stands tall, and it's one of the most advanced, most polished examples of console role-playing to date.
The narrative of Suikoden III unfolds from three different perspectives, giving the player a unique and epic view of a conflict taking place in an original, intriguing fantasy world. Yet the three main protagonists are only a small part of the huge cast of characters available--in fact, 108 playable characters are featured in the game, and each has his or her own unique skills, personality, and motivations.

Suikoden III is a conventional role-playing game in some ways, with the sorts of random battles and plot elements that are fairly typical of the genre. Yet fans of this style of gaming know full well that what separates the best role-playing games from the rest lies in the execution, the storytelling, and the sense of style, and it's in these crucial respects that Suikoden III excels. Fans of console role-playing would be doing themselves a great favor by checking this game out.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
You're doing fine. It took me like 3 tries to beat that water dragon.

And if they do re-release them it won't be on GBA. Becuase in Suikoden 2, you can upload Suikoden 1 data, and without memory cards, thats impossible. Same thing with Suikoden 3, you can upload Suikoden 2 data, and you won't be able to transfer a GBA file to a PS2.

I hope they re-release it on PS2, they can have both of the games on 1 disc.

And btw, Suikoden III won RPG of the Year on PS2 at gamespot.com...:D From GameSpot:

Suikoden III emerged as one of the biggest, best surprises of the PlayStation 2 fall lineup, giving role-playing fans starving for a suitably outstanding follow-up to last year's Final Fantasy X something to really sink their teeth into. While Suikoden III doesn't have quite the same broad appeal as last year's best PS2 role-playing game, it does have a long, involved quest, a great story, and tremendous depth, making it the obvious choice for this category. Even amid competition from higher-profile games like Kingdom Hearts, Suikoden III still stands tall, and it's one of the most advanced, most polished examples of console role-playing to date.
The narrative of Suikoden III unfolds from three different perspectives, giving the player a unique and epic view of a conflict taking place in an original, intriguing fantasy world. Yet the three main protagonists are only a small part of the huge cast of characters available--in fact, 108 playable characters are featured in the game, and each has his or her own unique skills, personality, and motivations.

Suikoden III is a conventional role-playing game in some ways, with the sorts of random battles and plot elements that are fairly typical of the genre. Yet fans of this style of gaming know full well that what separates the best role-playing games from the rest lies in the execution, the storytelling, and the sense of style, and it's in these crucial respects that Suikoden III excels. Fans of console role-playing would be doing themselves a great favor by checking this game out.

Yeah, Suikoden III deserved it. Kingdom Hearts comes very close. Also, how long do I have to beating the game...? I am playing as Hugo my Flame Champion, and currently lost the True Water and Lightning runes from that damn Luc.

Man, I hope I go to Crystal Valley. Wait, don't tell me anything!!!! :)

[Crono]

Originally posted by CrOnO_LiNk
Yeah, Suikoden III deserved it. Kingdom Hearts comes very close. Also, how long do I have to beating the game...? I am playing as Hugo my Flame Champion, and currently lost the True Water and Lightning runes from that damn Luc.

Man, I hope I go to Crystal Valley. Wait, don't tell me anything!!!! :)

It took me 62 hours to do everything. Well almost everything, except collect all recipes, medal sets, etc. But I did get all 108 stars (something very nice happens if you get all of them). And I barely played any minigames (even though there isn't that many). And also, as you know, there are 3 different ways to play the final 2 chapters of the game, so that's even more re-play value.

By the way, after you're done losing the runes, you go back to Lake Castle. This is your final chance to collect any remaining stars (you only need 104, the other 4 will join automatically later) I just thought I should warn you. So if you don't have 102 stars yet (the other 2 join at the HQ, then 4 more later), do so now. It is highly recommended. You should use a FAQ from GameFAQs.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
It took me 62 hours to do everything. Well almost everything, except collect all recipes, medal sets, etc. But I did get all 108 stars (something very nice happens if you get all of them). And I barely played any minigames (even though there isn't that many). And also, as you know, there are 3 different ways to play the final 2 chapters of the game, so that's even more re-play value.

By the way, after you're done losing the runes, you go back to Lake Castle. This is your final chance to collect any remaining stars (you only need 104, the other 4 will join automatically later) I just thought I should warn you. So if you don't have 102 stars yet (the other 2 join at the HQ, then 4 more later), do so now. It is highly recommended. You should use a FAQ from GameFAQs.

Damn! I am at the Ceremonial place. I just beat that huge War Battle. I have to collect the 4 True Runes. I am playing as Geddoe and just lost to Yuber. (he's hard) Anyways, I want to beat the game first without the 108 stars in case it'll be a different ending. (will it?)

Don't tell me what happens when you get all 108 but just tell me if it's a secret ending. Should I keep going or should I go back and collect them?

Also, am I on the final chapter? If so, how do you play the different ways of the 2 final chapters?

[Crono]

Originally posted by CrOnO_LiNk
Damn! I am at the Ceremonial place. I just beat that huge War Battle. I have to collect the 4 True Runes. I am playing as Geddoe and just lost to Yuber. (he's hard) Anyways, I want to beat the game first without the 108 stars in case it'll be a different ending. (will it?)

Don't tell me what happens when you get all 108 but just tell me if it's a secret ending. Should I keep going or should I go back and collect them?

Also, am I on the final chapter? If so, how do you play the different ways of the 2 final chapters?

1. Collecting the 108 stars doesnt affect the ending I don't think...if I told you what it did, you'd piss your pants and wished that you had collected them. (Not an ending...)

2. I'm not sure if you can collect all the stars now, I read a FAQ that said you had to do it before heading into the headquarters to meet with Sasari and Dios, so I made sure I got them all before that point (except for the last 6, but I'm pretty sure you know who those stars are...although you can't use 4 of them.........)

3. Yes, you're at the end of chapter 5.

4. SPOILER WARNING for people who haven't got to chapter 4 yet on Suikoden 3:













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Remember when you got to choose who would be the FC's successor? Well, depending on who you pick (Hugo, Geddoe, or Chris), the stuff you do in chapters 4 and 5 change a little, and there is different dialogue (obviously), etc. If you want to see everything, you'll need to play through the game 3 times, choosing a different successor each time. You picked Hugo, I picked Geddoe, the dialogue that we each saw was slightly different, and I read that Hugo has more mileage in the final 2 chapters, and Chris has the least.

I guess that answers all your questions. If you want to know about the last 2 POVs, just tell me.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
1. Collecting the 108 stars doesnt affect the ending I don't think...if I told you what it did, you'd piss your pants and wished that you had collected them. (Not an ending...)

2. I'm not sure if you can collect all the stars now, I read a FAQ that said you had to do it before heading into the headquarters to meet with Sasari and Dios, so I made sure I got them all before that point (except for the last 6, but I'm pretty sure you know who those stars are...although you can't use 4 of them.........)

3. Yes, you're at the end of chapter 5.

4. SPOILER WARNING for people who haven't got to chapter 4 yet on Suikoden 3:













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Remember when you got to choose who would be the FC's successor? Well, depending on who you pick (Hugo, Geddoe, or Chris), the stuff you do in chapters 4 and 5 change a little, and there is different dialogue (obviously), etc. If you want to see everything, you'll need to play through the game 3 times, choosing a different successor each time. You picked Hugo, I picked Geddoe, the dialogue that we each saw was slightly different, and I read that Hugo has more mileage in the final 2 chapters, and Chris has the least.

I guess that answers all your questions. If you want to know about the last 2 POVs, just tell me.

So do I have 2 more chapters left..?

Am I about to beat the game?

Also, thanks for everything, man. I owe you. I will replay the game somehow.

[Crono]

Originally posted by CrOnO_LiNk
So do I have 2 more chapters left..?

Am I about to beat the game?

Also, thanks for everything, man. I owe you. I will replay the game somehow.

You are almost at the end of the game, only a few battles left. And as for the last 2 point of views, one of them is rather stupid. You just need to find a certain character. It's more of a sidequest than anything else (and the stuff you do in that "sidequest" is kinda dumb). I won't tell you what the last point of view is, unless you really want to know.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
You are almost at the end of the game, only a few battles left. And as for the last 2 point of views, one of them is rather stupid. You just need to find a certain character. It's more of a sidequest than anything else (and the stuff you do in that "sidequest" is kinda dumb). I won't tell you what the last point of view is, unless you really want to know.

Nah, I'll find out on my own. Besides, you helped me enough. Thanks.

Now I feel like getting the 108 stars. Damn, I really want to know what happens. But don't worry, I'll find out after replaying the game.

Oh, and one last thing, are there any hard secret bosses like the "Weapons" in the FF series? I want a really big challenge.

[Crono]

Originally posted by CrOnO_LiNk
Nah, I'll find out on my own. Besides, you helped me enough. Thanks.

Now I feel like getting the 108 stars. Damn, I really want to know what happens. But don't worry, I'll find out after replaying the game.

Oh, and one last thing, are there any hard secret bosses like the "Weapons" in the FF series? I want a really big challenge.

No. The hardest you'll get is the water dragon. Although after Yuber there will be another tough fight (if you fight it the hard way). And a little tip, if you want fast money, go to North Cavern, Mountain Path and Flm Champ hideaway to fight those bosses that appear onscreen (like the 2 headed snake on the mountain path).

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
No. The hardest you'll get is the water dragon. Although after Yuber there will be another tough fight (if you fight it the hard way). And a little tip, if you want fast money, go to North Cavern, Mountain Path and Flm Champ hideaway to fight those bosses that appear onscreen (like the 2 headed snake on the mountain path).

Yeah, thanks.

[Crono]

Originally posted by CrOnO_LiNk
Yeah, thanks.

No problem. And I guess you'd like to know why you weren't able to go to Harmonia (with the exception of Caleria, and Le Buque). It's because that country has always been a mystery in the Suikoden series. We were lucky to actaully see a temple in Suikoden 3 from Crystal Valley.

I'm sure you've heard people talking about Dunan Unification War and the Gate Rune War. The Dunan Unification war is from Suikoden II, when Highland tried to take over the City States Of Jowston. You can read about this war in one of the books by talking to Eike at the library in your castle. And, the Gate Rune wars are from the first Suikoden.

Most people say Suikoden II is the best of the series, and I believe it. If you liked Suikoden III, I highly recommend you pick up the prequels, or wait and see if Konami will re-release them. Which I hope so, because Suikoden II had a bad translation because the US version was rushed, although this doesn't effect the game much. There are a few characters from Suikoden III that are in Suikoden II, including Lucia, Yuber, Luc, and Albert and Caesar are the grandsons of Leon Silverburg, who was in Suikoden 2..uh..Viki..not sure if you got her or not..and that's all I can remember now. Oh, and Jeane.

Yeah anyway, Suikoden III is awesome.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
No problem. And I guess you'd like to know why you weren't able to go to Harmonia (with the exception of Caleria, and Le Buque). It's because that country has always been a mystery in the Suikoden series. We were lucky to actaully see a temple in Suikoden 3 from Crystal Valley.

I'm sure you've heard people talking about Dunan Unification War and the Gate Rune War. The Dunan Unification war is from Suikoden II, when Highland tried to take over the City States Of Jowston. You can read about this war in one of the books by talking to Eike at the library in your castle. And, the Gate Rune wars are from the first Suikoden.

Most people say Suikoden II is the best of the series, and I believe it. If you liked Suikoden III, I highly recommend you pick up the prequels, or wait and see if Konami will re-release them. Which I hope so, because Suikoden II had a bad translation because the US version was rushed, although this doesn't effect the game much. There are a few characters from Suikoden II that are in Suikoden II, including Lucia, Yuber, Luc, and Albert and Caesar are the grandsons of Leon Silverburg, who was in Suikoden 2..uh..Viki..not sure if you got her or not..and that's all I can remember now. Oh, and Jeane.

Yeah anyway, Suikoden III is awesome.

I hope they do re-release it here... I can't afford Suikoden II.

I just lost to Sarah.. My current team sucks right now.

Chris *54
Edge *54
Dupa *54
Gau *54
Franz *53
Ruby *52

Franz and Ruby are mounted. My weapons aren't fully upgraded... Money problem. And it sucks you can't go over $999,999. I thought I had a lot of money but upgrading cost a lot. I can upgrade my weapons to level 15 and my weapon level with Chris is 11. (Yeah, that sucks :()

What's the maximum level a weapon can be upgraded to?

[Crono]

Originally posted by CrOnO_LiNk
I hope they do re-release it here... I can't afford Suikoden II.

I just lost to Sarah.. My current team sucks right now.

Chris *54
Edge *54
Dupa *54
Gau *54
Franz *53
Ruby *52

Franz and Ruby are mounted. My weapons aren't fully upgraded... Money problem. And it sucks you can't go over $999,999. I thought I had a lot of money but upgrading cost a lot. I can upgrade my weapons to level 15 and my weapon level with Chris is 11. (Yeah, that sucks :()

What's the maximum level a weapon can be upgraded to?

16. Get the Gold Hammer from the Iksay Village shop and give it to Peggi.

You need to level up a bit, and bring someone with a Flowing Rune. Use the Silent Lake spell so Sarah and those damn fairies can't cast any magic. It works especially great because that stupid ghost ship summon that Sarah uses is annoying. I had to fight it the hard way because I didn't notice that the Flowing Rune had this ability. And like I said, go fight those on screen bosses at North Cavern, Flame Champion Hideaway, and Mountain Path. They will each give you over 100,000 potch.

EDIT: I suggest you bring Nicolas. He joins with Duke's team. Take out Gau and stick Nicloas in there. Nicloas has THE highest defense AND strength. When I was fighting Yuber, he was doing 300 damage to everyone else but only 90 damage to Nicolas.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

I have flowing with Chris. I'll use Silent Lake when the battle starts. After, when it's Hugo's turn, I hope I can pick Chris and Geddoe to come to my party.

I want my "real" party to come with me to fight those bosses and upgrade my weapons.

[BlueFire]

Can someone give me a link to that Suikoden fansite... I want to get some pictures..

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by BLueFire
Can someone give me a link to that Suikoden fansite... I want to get some pictures..

www.suikosource.com

You can get everything there...

Also, if you need any help, just ask me or Crono.

[Crono]

great site with TONS of pics and rare pics:

http://27runes.org

for pics:

http://27runes.org/pictures

[BlueFire]

Suikosource sucks ass. Everything is messed up. The site Crono gave me was good, but I wish they had more shots of the intro movie though...

[Rndm_Perfection]

d00d, Suikosource is awesome... heh. It just went downhill because they're adding a whole bunch of new Suikoden III stuff, their understaffed, and their host (or something) is giving them trouble. However, before all that... they were the best out there.

[Crono]

Originally posted by Rndm_Perfection
d00d, Suikosource is awesome... heh. It just went downhill because they're adding a whole bunch of new Suikoden III stuff, their understaffed, and their host (or something) is giving them trouble. However, before all that... they were the best out there.

Yeah, everytime I go there I always get "server too busy" errors, but hopefully they can fix it or get a new server or something, it's a great site for info, though.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Crono
Yeah, everytime I go there I always get "server too busy" errors, but hopefully they can fix it or get a new server or something, it's a great site for info, though.

Yeah, too many people are refreshing the page...

[Rndm_Perfection]

Oh, and here's a list of characters from the previous games that make appearances in Suikoden III (Which takes 15 years after the previous RPG). Warning... spoilers are ahead, so read with caution unless you really don't care, have played the game, or haven't played Suikoden I or II:


- Yuber
- Luc
- Apple
- Edge's Sword (Zodiac/Star Dragon Sword)
- Futch
- Bright
- Gadget
- Jeane (and she hasn't aged, hint hint)
- Lucia
- Sasarai (for one moment in Suikoden II)
- Nash (Suikogaiden)
- Viki (Adult is her aged form)
- Lilly
- Tuta

Related Characters:
- Fred (Max's grandson)
- Albert and Ceaser (Leon's Grandsons & Mathiu and Odessa's Grandnefews... or whatever)
- Hugo (Lucia's son)
- Aaah... the guy with something like "XIV" in his name (Rauru's brother, I think) yeah, so what if that's an ambiguous one
- Yanea Y. (Daughter of Freed Y. and Yoshino Y.)


Final Notes:
- Y. stands for Yamamoto!
- If you think Yuber and Edge are cool, wait till you see Pesmerga, Georg Prime, Viktor, Luca Blight, Mazus, Kahn, Clive, and Flik! HAH, those guys are the true definition of cool.
- Sara's not as cool as Sierra, Ceaser has nothing on Shu, Hugo can't touch any of the other main characters, and nobody... nobody is as menacing as Luca Blight! Bwuahahahahahaha....


Aside from that, Suikoden III is still a masterpiece. Suikoden II (as someone had stated earlier), however, is still quite better.

Oh yeah... I forgot to say I'm back for this short period of time again...

[Crono]

I wish Konami would release the 2 Suikogaiden games here (and I heard there was a third one coming). Although, games that are text based like that aren't popular here.