Screw you, Virtual Console.

[KillerGremlin]

You know why I don't feel bad pirating the shit out of Nintendo games?

I have a Wii that my family shares. My GF just got a Wii. I've sunk quite a bit of money into games on the Virtual Console that I'd like to transfer over.

But wait. I can't do that. Unlike STEAM or any other service that lets you transfer games, Nintendo has some sort of cryptic DRM vice grip on their virtual console.

Please tell me there is something I can do?

[Angrist]

You can break your Wii, send them to Nintendo and ask them to transfer the games to the other Wii.

I think... :(

[KillerGremlin]

It's crazy that I can't just use an SD card and move them, or re-download. I don't want the games on both Wiis, I want to move the games from one Wii to the other.

[Blix]

It's BS and shows that Nintendo still has ways to go getting up-to-date on the online department. You can send the the new console and the old console and they'll do the transfer, which is impractical, inconvenient and all around retarded. But that's the only way, yup.

[Vampyr]

http://gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20975

yep

[Bond]

Wait, what? VC content is tied to your console and not your account? Is that what everyone is saying?

[Angrist]

You didn't know?

[Ginkasa]

Technically, it is tied to a Wii Shop account, but that account is tied specifically to that Wii. I lost a fair amount of VC games when my Wii was stolen.

[Vampyr]

Technically, it is tied to a Wii Shop account, but that account is tied specifically to that Wii. I lost a fair amount of VC games when my Wii was stolen.

If I were you, I would have no qualms about pirating the games you lost, in addition to some you forgot you didn't have. :lolz:

[Ginkasa]

Why? Nintendo didn't still my Wii.

[Vampyr]

No, but you've already paid them for those VC games. :ohreilly:

[KillerGremlin]

You can send the the new console and the old console and they'll do the transfer, which is impractical, inconvenient and all around retarded. But that's the only way, yup.

I've heard they won't do a Wii to Wii transfer unless your old Wii has a hardware malfunction or goes belly-up. I'm not going to break my family's Wii....and I also heard that it's a 4-week+ downtime. That's totally crap.

I think I'm done with the Virtual Console. It's one of the few things I really love about the Wii. But this cryptic approach to DRM is antiquated and dumb.

[Blix]

I've heard they won't do a Wii to Wii transfer unless your old Wii has a hardware malfunction or goes belly-up. I'm not going to break my family's Wii....and I also heard that it's a 4-week+ downtime. That's totally crap.

I think I'm done with the Virtual Console. It's one of the few things I really love about the Wii. But this cryptic approach to DRM is antiquated and dumb.
I don't know about that one. I doubt they'll refuse to transfer them if you are willing to send them both Wiis in. But Nintendo has to get off their asses and change this. Sony actually lets you authorize up to 5 ( I think) PS3's which I still don't understand but is a better solution. You can de-authorize a system you will no longer use and have that spot open. EA did the same thing with Crysis 2 for PC, which I own. This is better while still keeping that same principle of not letting indefinite system download the same games. But I think everyone has to catch up to steam and XBL.

[Bond]

What's the official Nintendo word on this policy? "Too technologically and logistically difficult to implement?" :rolleyes:

[Blix]

What's the official Nintendo word on this policy? "Too technologically and logistically difficult to implement?" :rolleyes:
Gross Incompetence
Sheer Ignorance
or just clinging to tradition for the sake of it. Choose one.
Just these days Sony, EA and Nintendo actually gave the green light to the Stop Online Piracy Act, which shows how much of a control freak these companies are. Also, Sony lowered the amount of consoles that can share games from five to two. I had forgotten but my friend just happened to remind me about it a few minutes ago during chat. The funny thing is, these oppressive DRMs harm them more than they can help them.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/4993-Sony-Nintendo-EA-and-SOPA

Gabe Newell actually has a good view on the subject saying this is all a thing of the quality of the service but I still believe some people will just pirate anything they can for the sake of not paying anything. I have a friend who pirates all of his iPhone apps. There's no excuse for not wanting to pay $5 for Infinty Blade. So while this alleviates the problem, it doesn't get rid of it.

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1213357p1.html

Ubisoft is another company that's been using the worse kind of DRMs on their games on PC. We can talk about this for a long, long time and not finish.

[Ginkasa]

No, but you've already paid them for those VC games. :ohreilly:


I had also already paid for the Wii (and the 360 and PS3 and PC and PSP, but I digress), but I didn't go break into Best Buy and steal one or (more analogous) just download Dolphin and use that. I bought another one. Nintendo's not to blame for the Wii containing my VC games being stolen.

They did, however, lose a lot of brownie points with me since retrieving my games on the 360 and PS3 was easy. Doesn't mean I'll steal from them.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Meh.

Nintendo has made so many dumb decisions with the wii as it is. The only decisions they made that weren't dumb, was the decision to fuck over their loyalists in lieu of a bunch of screaming fucking kids and casuals who bought an assload of shitty games just because they were fun for an hour.

Well that and having the cheapest console of the next gens.

Then to top it off some of the finest quality wii games will never be released here in the US because they wouldn't do very well among casual gamers.

Perhaps Nintendo knows that the majority of their hardcore community actually sold their fucking wii consoles to gamestop.

tldr:

Nintendo blows, pirate their shit all day. They don't deserve your money.

[Angrist]

I never bought a single VC game. Mostly because I thought they were overpriced.

I did buy World of Goo and another WiiWare game. A while back my Wii was messed up and I thought about buying another one... but partly because of my WW games, I decided to repair it instead. Worked perfectly by the way. :)

[Storm Eagle]

*brings out a doll*

Okay everyone, tell me where Nintendo touched you.

[Vampyr]

I had also already paid for the Wii (and the 360 and PS3 and PC and PSP, but I digress), but I didn't go break into Best Buy and steal one or (more analogous) just download Dolphin and use that. I bought another one. Nintendo's not to blame for the Wii containing my VC games being stolen.

They did, however, lose a lot of brownie points with me since retrieving my games on the 360 and PS3 was easy. Doesn't mean I'll steal from them.

I don't think you are. There is obviously a difference between downloading a copy of the digital bits you had before versus breaking into a store and stealing merchandise. One is free and the other isn't.

[Angrist]

When you download something that you were going to buy, it's pretty much the same as stealing.

[KillerGremlin]

When you download something that you were going to buy, it's pretty much the same as stealing.

No, it's not. There are philosophical differences.

If I walked into Best Buy, and made an exact copy of something and walked out with my copy while leaving the store copy there, then it would be the same as downloading something.

There are bad copyright laws too.


But none of this matters. You guys are missing the gist of this thread. Which is that I paid for the Virtual Console games, and I technically own them....in the restricted capacity Nintendo has defined. That is DRM. DRM is bullshit and doesn't prevent piracy. Insofar that I plan to pirate the shit out of any game I wanted to play now, even if it is available on the Virtual Console. And my opinion is the popular opinion, so because of bad choices...Nintendo is losing customers. If you want to be a "big boy" gaming company and compete with the other big boys, you need to step up your game.

Someone mentioned SOPA in this thread. Microsoft is against SOPA. Good for them.

Nintendo's not to blame for the Wii containing my VC games being stolen.

They are responsible for limitations to their medium, including DRM.


Anyway, it was a fun thread guys....I'm gonna go fire up some torrents.

[Angrist]

If I walked into Best Buy, and made an exact copy of something and walked out with my copy while leaving the store copy there, then it would be the same as downloading something.So if a (group of) person(s) has put a lot of money/time/effort into developing something you like and you can just copy it without any effort of yourself, you think that's ok?

If I did that at my university I would get kicked out.


Edit: I do agree that Nintendo's business model sucks and isn't profitable for anyone. If only they would have slashed the prices of downloadable games with 50%, I would have bought so much more.

[Vampyr]

So if a (group of) person(s) has put a lot of money/time/effort into developing something you like and you can just copy it without any effort of yourself, you think that's ok?

If I did that at my university I would get kicked out.


Edit: I do agree that Nintendo's business model sucks and isn't profitable for anyone. If only they would have slashed the prices of downloadable games with 50%, I would have bought so much more.

No, I don't. And honestly I hate it when people say they will pirate a game because it costs too much/I'm poor/the company did something I don't like.

It's really simple - just don't buy the game. Don't buy it. The sense of entitlement people have kills me. And if the company did something bad that makes you not want to support them, then just boycott the game completely rather than pirate. Don't talk about the game, don't encourage others to buy it.

Ever since I realized that my VC games would be gone along with my Wii, I haven't purchased a single VC title. However, if my Wii does break or gets stolen, and I PURCHASE a new one, I wouldn't hesitate to restore the VC games I had already paid for. I don't see how that's stealing - it's just restoring the bits you already had. No one loses in that deal - Nintendo still has their money, and you didn't deplete their stock of something.

[KillerGremlin]

So if a (group of) person(s) has put a lot of money/time/effort into developing something you like and you can just copy it without any effort of yourself, you think that's ok?

If I did that at my university I would get kicked out.

Arrrgg....let's just agree to disagree.

But yes. If you spend time and money to develop something awesome, and then you make me jump through DRM hoops to get it? I'm going to pirate it.

I don't believe in paying for Nazi DRM. Fuck EA and fuck any company that makes me go through activations or limits me to 2 uses or whatever. I know that I'm a member of the last generation to have PHYSICAL MEDIA, but I remember what it was like to actually own my media.

Certain companies get it right. They don't ruin the experience with DRM. And I give them my money. I love STEAM for the most part...and some day the servers may shut down, but for now they run a tight ship.

Copyright laws are not good either. At a certain point NES games should become shareware or freeware. Perhaps Nintendo is entitled to argue over this fact. But I dunno. What happens when all the original software developers are dead? I mean...look at the Beatles. Buying a Beatles album probably doesn't help Ringo get money because the Beatles' discography was sold to Micheal Jackson. And the important Beatles are dead anyway. So am I thief if I download an album or rip a CD and put it on my Ipod? My family owns the vinyl albums and the CD albums. How much more money does the RIAA need?

At a certain point I'd like to see Nintendo do what a company like Rockstar does. Rockstar has made Grand Theft Auto 1 and 2 freely available to download. And now they are out cranking out awesome new games. Meanwhile, Nintendo released a whole console (3DS) based on emulated old games. At a certain point, just admit that emulation is easy as pie, and open up the NES library to people who buy the next Nintendo console.

How many times is Nintendo going to repackage and sell me Ocarina of Time before we admit that at a philosophical level I've bought the game 2 or 3 times and I'm not a thief for pirating it. Nintendo is exploiting copyright to some level...because emulation is easy and has been around for a while.

Why can't I buy hot Nintendo titles on the Virtual Console but they show up on the 3DS repackaged as new titles and slapped with a high price tag? I mean...that's begging to be emulated.

So I'm sorry Angrist, I don't think every situation is as the one you described. I think you're creating some sympathy-seeking straw man, but I'm not biting.

[KillerGremlin]

That's the second Virtual Console shortcoming. The library sucks.

Where is Mario Party 1 and 3? Where are all the good SNES games?

Where is Metroid and Castlevania?

I'm skeptical it has anything to do with licensing and it is just hardcore franchising by Nintendo. Nintendo has expressed antiquated ideas on Copyright laws and DRM time and time again. It wouldn't surprise me if they try to hold onto their NES games forever.

How much potential would Nintendo have if they released a full NES/SNES game library on the Virtual Console? Think of the huge cash they'd pull in.

Maybe even more than re-releasing Ocarina of Time on the 3DS. :ohreilly:

[Vampyr]

There have been a lot of OoT rehashes, but to be fair a lot of work was put into the 3DS one - that game looks amazing - I think it's worth paying for again.

The other rereleases were all bonuses for preordering and such, if I remember correctly.

[Ginkasa]

Ever since I realized that my VC games would be gone along with my Wii, I haven't purchased a single VC title. However, if my Wii does break or gets stolen, and I PURCHASE a new one, I wouldn't hesitate to restore the VC games I had already paid for. I don't see how that's stealing - it's just restoring the bits you already had. No one loses in that deal - Nintendo still has their money, and you didn't deplete their stock of something.


I understand this.

[Angrist]

Wait, Paul McCartney is dead? Or are you really going to bring in the original/replacement Paul theory to support your argument?

Nintendo has the publishing rights of those old games. I also don't agree with the high VC price; that's why I never bought a single VC game. Again: I think people would buy more VC games if the price was lower (€1 for a NES game, €1,50 for SNES, etc.).
But with the current situation... If I want to play a game, I'll find a used copy for the same price... but I'll be able to sell it later on.

Oh and like Vampyr said, Nintendo gave away Ocarina of Time twice on GameCube. Now for the first time they remade a Zelda game and asked money for it. They did add a lot of new features/graphics, so it's not the same game you paid for before.
And nobody's forcing you to either buy or pirate it. Don't like what they're doing? Don't play it.

But yeah, let's agree to disagree.

[Blix]

*brings out a doll*

Okay everyone, tell me where Nintendo touched you.

Yeah this horse was already buried but for some reason, it got dug out and now they're beating it again. Nintendo has a sucky DRM system, it's old news, don't support it if you don't like it, period. And it's hard to believe that some people just found out now. Even if you have not been reading too much this was fairly common knowledge back when the Wii first came out. After the firs page it was already discussed enough but I come back here one day or so later and there's another full page filled with paragraphs-long posts. Either you're willing to go with it or you're not. I've always only bought a console once and rarely ever got to replace it and I always keep them even after a new console is out so I don't care too much about it even though I still think it's retarded.

And KG, go check the Jim Sterling video again. Just go straight into the 5:24 mark if you don't have time for this. MS does support it through the group that they're part of. They just weren't dumb enough to actually put their names directly in the SOPA law. But MS AND APPLE both indirectly support it. They just know how to be discrete. And I don't have time to give you more info about it.

[KillerGremlin]

There was talk of Nintendo remedying the issue when it was first brought up, way back when the Wii and Virtual Console were new hat. I believe Nintendo has the programmers who could address the issue with software updates. It's not like I'm the first person to raise this point. Raising the same point in the future is fair; companies adapt and make changes and improvements all the time. Well, most companies.

But with the current situation... If I want to play a game, I'll find a used copy for the same price... but I'll be able to sell it later on.

Used NES/SNES/N64 games? I don't find the pursuit to be worthwhile. I could spend hours of my life hunting a game down on Ebay. Or I could spend 4 seconds emulating it. :lol: If Nintendo had a better VC Library and at a lower price...I'd probably just buy it because I enjoy the TV setup and the nostalgia.



There is an interesting paradigm shift in gaming. Some websites now sell old computer games - often optimized to work on Vista or Win 7 - for reasonable prices. GOG comes to mind. On one hand...I love the fact that I can go and purchase the old games that defined my childhood. On the other hand, I think it raises an interesting copyright dilemma.

Are video games like books? Will there be a library of video games someday?

I guess my question is: emulating a video game doesn't require labor costs, kind of like digital books. If I bought a paperback Mark Twain book, even if he is dead, there are still publishing costs and paper costs.

There are ZERO manufacturing costs to copy software. Well...not exactly zero...bandwidth and server space....but nearly zero. So the question is, should I pay for a Mark Twain book if it is digitally available? Mark Twain is dead. He doesn't receive a penny for his work. And the old publisher model is outdated. Sorry paper company, go fuck yourself. Let's save some trees.

If there is no middle man (paper, book, binding, publishing rights, shipping costs) and Mark Twain is dead...who gets money for the digital copy of the book? And why should they get money? Does his family get money? Do the publishers? What's the dillio?

[Storm Eagle]

Yeah this horse was already buried but for some reason, it got dug out and now they're beating it again. Nintendo has a sucky DRM system, it's old news, don't support it if you don't like it, period. And it's hard to believe that some people just found out now. Even if you have not been reading too much this was fairly common knowledge back when the Wii first came out. After the firs page it was already discussed enough but I come back here one day or so later and there's another full page filled with paragraphs-long posts. Either you're willing to go with it or you're not. I've always only bought a console once and rarely ever got to replace it and I always keep them even after a new console is out so I don't care too much about it even though I still think it's retarded.



The whole thing is just overwhelming is all. So did this whole board just go anti-Nintendo or something?

[Blix]

The whole thing is just overwhelming is all. So did this whole board just go anti-Nintendo or something?
I'm not blaming you. And I believe, lately, some members in the forums just want to see who they can get butt hurt. It's just entertainment for them. There's a term for that behavior but it eludes me at the moment.

[Bond]

I'm not blaming you. And I believe, lately, some members in the forums just want to see who they can get butt hurt. It's just entertainment for them. There's a term for that behavior but it eludes me at the moment.
Don't you think you're being a little unfair? I mean, I honestly didn't know this was the case in regard to Nintendo's DRM policy - it was new news to me. I think this is a legitimate issue, especially when none of Nintendo's competitors have a similar policy. I understand your frustration with re-litigating an issue, but I do think it's a valid one.

[KillerGremlin]

Well, this forum is the spawn of Nintendojo and the Nintendo Dolphin. So lots of Nintendo love here. Sometimes I forget that pointing out any criticism - even if it is perfectly legit and valid - goes against the forum policy of having nothing but love for Nintendo.

I confess I am stirring the shit pot and I do that quite often. But you all would be boring if I didn't stir the shit pot. But I'm just as much a Nintendo fanboy as I am a Nintendo troll. I've owned Nintendo consoles my entire life. I've stuck through the Gamecube and Wii era, and I'll probably get a Wii-U. I'm a devout Mario and Zelda fan, and I love the rare moments when Nintendo innovates out of the water; Metroid Prime, Pikmin. Sure, I am anything but objective. I probably pick on Nintendo more than a lot of other things. So I'll grant you that.

But, your honor, if I may present further evidence. I totally rip on PC gaming, Xbox and Xbox Live, and the PS3. All the time. Look at my track record here. I complain about all 3 crappy consoles equally. Xbox Live is bloated and has way too much DLC. PS3 is expensive and has way too many sequels. I constantly rip on Halo and Grand Theft Auto and other popular titles. I don't see any Nintendo fanboys jumping in those threads and telling me I'm a flamer or a troll. :ohreilly:

Name me a game and odds are I've said mean things about it. When sites like IGN hand 10/10s to every game nowadays we need less people to say nice things about games and more people to point out their shortcomings. I mostly enjoy games for what they are: a fun experience. I enjoyed Super Mario Galaxy 2, for example. But that doesn't change the fact that the game is practically an expansion to the original. See? Enjoyment meets fair criticism. And IGN blew it, if I recall correctly. Nintendo has their happy ending, IGN ends up with a mouthfull of Nintendo spunk, and i get to be an ass which is fun.

I think this thread is pretty legit. Because it is genuine. I didn't post this thread to flame or start some "Nintendo war." I love Nintendo. But for real....my family got a Wii a long time ago, and I sunk money into the Virtual Console. When the Virtual Console was new, I knew you couldn't transfer games. I figured Nintendo would fix this issue like Xbox Live updates or Sony patches their firmware. Pretty typical stuff. And I never expected my GF to get a Wii. Nintendo hasn't fixed it, despite some talk that they would. They actually have regressed in some of their views on DRM and where the hell is Nintendo's online gaming!!!! What year is it?

So now that it is a few years later, I have new found disgust for Nintendo's antiquated DRM and crappy online policy. If you think this is a poor criticism than touche. But I hope I'm entitled to my own opinion, without being called a "troll" or "flamer" because I disagree with your hardcore love for Nintendo.

Even though I'm a huge PC gamer, I didn't get irate or pissy over this thread:
http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21952

I found the above thread amusing, and full of truths. I know how to laugh at hyperbole and embellished criticism. I take my internet with a grain of salt and lots of porn.

So I want to end my post with a typical "me" comment:

The difference between Nintendo gamers and Xbox Live gamers? They both troll and they are both horrible parts of gaming culture. But the Xbox gamers actually get laid, and the Nintendo gamers just pine and get all defensive. Nintendo gamers need to harden the eff up. :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:

[Typhoid]

All I can say is:


lol@notbeingabletotakethethingsyourightfullypaidfor.


Maybe you should blow in it. Jiggle the cord!


Edit: Okay, i've got no actual help or advice on the OP. In Nintendo's defense not allowing you to move the files ensures nobody will steal/pirate them. That went well for them, right?


Edited Edit:

There are ZERO manufacturing costs to copy software. Well...not exactly zero...bandwidth and server space....but nearly zero. So the question is, should I pay for a Mark Twain book if it is digitally available? Mark Twain is dead. He doesn't receive a penny for his work. And the old publisher model is outdated. Sorry paper company, go fuck yourself. Let's save some trees.

If there is no middle man (paper, book, binding, publishing rights, shipping costs) and Mark Twain is dead...who gets money for the digital copy of the book? And why should they get money? Does his family get money? Do the publishers? What's the dillio?

I 100% agree.

I also find the idea of a video game library excellent, if not already somewhat existent. I do think that in the future (when cars fly and food is in pill form) older games [let's say this gen and back] will be free for the exact reason you stated. Although they'll all obviously be digital.

[Blix]

Well, I don't know if you remember me from advancegb.com but I know you from back then and I know you well and I know you're objective. So no problem with your criticism or anything, but in the last couple of days it seemed all you did was try to get reactions from Nintendo fans, one attempt after another. And I just started to think that you were just bored and trying to have fun at someone else's expense. So I just stopped taking your comments seriously. I didn't even see it as you trying to be an ass but just saying them in jest and I decided to point it out just to avoid having others "fall for it." It helped that I didn't really take your EA and Nintendo comparison seriously as I didn't really agree with it. The motion control thread also didn't convince me.

As for the criticism itself I don't even disagree with it, I just noticed that you kept going and then everyone joined in and I really didn't think the subject merits that much anger. I haven't bought a single game from the virtual console since Megaman 9. And I just had to play that game and didn't have a PS3 or 360 at the time. But until Nintendo gets its act straight, then they better not count with me spending money on downloads for their platform.
This is from a thread I made a long time ago where I pointed this flaw in Nintendo's policy:


Policies is the one argument I can understand most. These vary from company to company but while most of the times these policies are understandable, they can at times be a little too restrictive or even unfair. Someone who comes to mind here is Nintendo on the DSi. Whenever you buy something off the DSiware service, you can only play it on the DSi you bought it from. Nintendo claims that you buy the license which permits you to play the game, but not the game itself. So if you buy a new game and download to your DSi but later buy a new one and would like to play it on that one you can't take the game with you. In steam, for example, whenever you buy a game you can download it to any other computer as long as you log in to your steam account using the steam client.

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20414

I actually like all of the platforms and have complains about everyone of them too. I just didn't feel you were happy just with making your point but kept going after that.

And Bond, if you truly didn't know that until now, then my bad. I just really considered this common knowledge and thought you were just being sarcastic. So no need to say only good things about Nintendo. But now I'm assured this is actually a legitimate discussion. And to be honest, gekko's thread about the Halo Anniversary eating his save didn't get everyone on the hate halo bandwagon or anything, and (although I haven't been reading every single thread on GT) I haven't really seen anyone jump in any hate bandwagon towards non Nintendo consoles. I think everyone enjoys every console on this forum.

[KillerGremlin]

Hey man, it's all good. This is a chill board. I come in peace, unless your name is Earl...ha.

In the motion control thread, I stand by the quotes I posted. I don't doubt the game is very solid and polished. For a number of people, the controls had their 'not so great moments.' When gameplay is disrupted because of camera or motion controls or glitches, it detracts from the game. Hence, I still feel feel like the 10 is overly-ambitious on IGN's part. The 7.5 or whatever Gamespot gave the game was probably a bit of a lowball score, but at least the score matched the review.

I'm actually pumped to try out Skyward Sword come Christmas. For what that's worth. :p

And I do remember you and AGB, my comment about the Nintendo love was more for the other people at this forum. AGB was part of the Nintendojo split....we got AGB and GT out of it. I feel like this forum was more of the Nintendo hardcore crowd.

I'm definitely on a Nintendo hot streak...if only because I've been playing Nintendo games lately. That and PC, because I'm a PC gamer too. :p

I give Nintendo tough love because I see the potential...just like I give The Walking Dead on the movies/music/tv board tough love.

[Storm Eagle]

Don't you think you're being a little unfair? I mean, I honestly didn't know this was the case in regard to Nintendo's DRM policy - it was new news to me. I think this is a legitimate issue, especially when none of Nintendo's competitors have a similar policy. I understand your frustration with re-litigating an issue, but I do think it's a valid one.

It is a legitimate issue. I guess I was just taken aback by how much it upsets him. Plus with the way people criticize Nintendo, you'd think that Nintendo raped their mothers in a dark alley and left them to die. They may bring it on themselves at times, but it can't be that bad. Then again it doesn't help that I've seen someone at another board talk about that he'll never support Nintendo ever again, and that's all because he has played Skyward Sword and found it to be the same as many of the preceding Zelda games. It's kind of like how Killer Gremlin stated that Super Mario Galaxy 2 is pretty much just a rehash of the first one. I haven't played too much of those games myself, however. I haven't gotten started on playing my own copy of Skyward Sword, but whether it's not much different than other Zelda games, it won't matter to me as long as its fun and easy to play.


The difference between Nintendo gamers and Xbox Live gamers? They both troll and they are both horrible parts of gaming culture. But the Xbox gamers actually get laid, and the Nintendo gamers just pine and get all defensive.

So what about those people who may be both? They DO exist, even if we might not hear about them all that much. In fact, I know at least one or two of them.

Hey man, it's all good. This is a chill board. I come in peace, unless your name is Earl...ha.

In the motion control thread, I stand by the quotes I posted. I don't doubt the game is very solid and polished. For a number of people, the controls had their 'not so great moments.' When gameplay is disrupted because of camera or motion controls or glitches, it detracts from the game. Hence, I still feel feel like the 10 is overly-ambitious on IGN's part. The 7.5 or whatever Gamespot gave the game was probably a bit of a lowball score, but at least the score matched the review.

I'm actually pumped to try out Skyward Sword come Christmas. For what that's worth. :p

And I do remember you and AGB, my comment about the Nintendo love was more for the other people at this forum. AGB was part of the Nintendojo split....we got AGB and GT out of it. I feel like this forum was more of the Nintendo hardcore crowd.

I'm definitely on a Nintendo hot streak...if only because I've been playing Nintendo games lately. That and PC, because I'm a PC gamer too. :p

I give Nintendo tough love because I see the potential...just like I give The Walking Dead on the movies/music/tv board tough love.

I've been a Nintendo fan since the days of the NES, so that's a damn long time. I've owned all their systems since then, although I passed on the Virtual Boy. Even so, I'll probably find myself buying every Nintendo system that ever gets released, simply because I know they'll deliver on their best franchises on which I'm a fan. I will acknowledge the things that Nintendo could improve upon, even if I don't go looking to bite the heads off of puppies and kittens. I've even accepted that they might not ever bother to try and appeal to the "mature gamers" the way Microsoft and Sony do, but that's all right. I've often said that a future Nintendo system could have nothing but T and M-rated games, and it would still be considered a "kiddie" system. We complain that systems like the GameCube and the Wii doesn't have enough mature games, but I can see them getting a lot of flak even if they did.

In fact, I'm wondering why the Wii couldn't have been built with a motion sensor INSIDE, and I hope the Wii U will be different in that respect. The sensor bar just looks silly sticking all the way out of the Wii like that. Also, speaking of the Wii U, I'd hope Nintendo would know what they're doing if they're really going to put the thing out next year, as it's a bit soon. It's one Nintendo system that I wouldn't mind getting pushed back every so often.

I don't have a 3DS yet, but I'd like to get one, although I don't think the 3D is all that necessary. I actually think it's more of a gimmick than anything, and I don't care about it. I just care about the games that come out for it, and that they'll interest me.

The issue you brought up about not being able to transfer games also made me think of how Nintendo reminds me of my mother, with the decisions they make. Like, how she would just come up with some silly decision out of the blue.

[Angrist]

Mark Twain his books are more than a 100 years old, so there's no copyright on them anymore. The man would probably be flattered to know that people these days still read his books.
Computer games are less than 30 years old, so there's copyright. Most of the creators are still alive and are trying to make a living. If what they made back then is still popular now, I don't see how they should just give them away.

It seems like you're ignoring arguments concerning law and you're trying to come up with moral arguments. That's fine, I'm not trying to stop you pirate things. I just want to give some arguments for the other side.

[Angrist]

In fact, I'm wondering why the Wii couldn't have been built with a motion sensor INSIDE, and I hope the Wii U will be different in that respect. The sensor bar just looks silly sticking all the way out of the Wii like that. Also, speaking of the Wii U, I'd hope Nintendo would know what they're doing if they're really going to put the thing out next year, as it's a bit soon. It's one Nintendo system that I wouldn't mind getting pushed back every so often.
The Wii needs the infrared dots of that sensor bar for pointer controls. All the precise controls wouldn't have been possible without it.

Now with Zelda they're showing that WiiMotionPlus can do the same thing without a sensor bar... But for Wii U I'm pretty sure they'll include it. Not only for Wii backwards compatibility, but also because it's always good to have a point of reference for your controller.

And if you meant the sensor bar should have been on the Wii... That would mean my Wii would have to lie in front of the TV all the time. =/

[Storm Eagle]

And if you meant the sensor bar should have been on the Wii... That would mean my Wii would have to lie in front of the TV all the time. =/

Of course that's not what I meant. I did say I questioned why the sensor technology couldn't have been built INSIDE the unit.

[TheSlyMoogle]

The Wii needs the infrared dots of that sensor bar for pointer controls. All the precise controls wouldn't have been possible without it.

Now with Zelda they're showing that WiiMotionPlus can do the same thing without a sensor bar... But for Wii U I'm pretty sure they'll include it. Not only for Wii backwards compatibility, but also because it's always good to have a point of reference for your controller.

And if you meant the sensor bar should have been on the Wii... That would mean my Wii would have to lie in front of the TV all the time. =/

Well actually the motion and movement part of the wii has always been controlled by the movement of the controller itself not the sensor bar. The sensor bar is pretty much literally for the pointing on the screen.

The swordplay in the new zelda game is all movement based, but the sensor bar is still used for the camera, aiming weapons etc.


And storm, if that was the case and they built it into the wii unit itself you would have had to sat the wii on top of the tv or on the floor. The thin bar on top or below your tv is much better :D

Also this board is about 50/50 on the nintendo hate train.

[Angrist]

Well actually the motion and movement part of the wii has always been controlled by the movement of the controller itself not the sensor bar. The sensor bar is pretty much literally for the pointing on the screen. That's what I said.

The swordplay in the new zelda game is all movement based, but the sensor bar is still used for the camera, aiming weapons etc. Wrong. The sensor bar is only used to calibrate the controller. Try covering up the sensor bar after you've done that.

[Ginkasa]

Wrong. The sensor bar is only used to calibrate the controller. Try covering up the sensor bar after you've done that.


True. However, the sensor bar does play a role while you're playing the game. When you're swinging the Wiimote around a lot (like, say, during a frenetic bit of combat or something) the calibration for the sword's position will slowly become off. It uses the sensor bar as a point of reference to keep the sword centered. Try aiming the Wiimote away from the TV and swing the sword around for a while. You'll notice it'll go out of wack after a while. Point it back at the screen/sensor bar and your sword will go back to where it should be automatically. Its pretty neat.

[Angrist]

Really? That's awesome, I didn't know. I actually thought of that a few years ago, it's good to see Nintendo has got it working.

[Storm Eagle]

Also this board is about 50/50 on the Nintendo hate train.
Haters gonna hate, bitches gonna bitch. I just hope I'm never in a situation where I'll wish I could be able to transfer games to another Wii.